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Re: Elements Mafia 49 - by ddevans96 https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=58517.msg1192789#msg1192789
« Reply #72 on: June 12, 2015, 01:14:14 pm »
See, Frozen, this is what happens when you spend 3 lines explaining your thoughts and have all the nuance completely faded.
Perhaps don't try something that requires you not explaining what the lol you're doing to work next time, future Frozen? Kthanx.

I think discarding my actions and explaining them is probably what I should do right now.
And what I've been attempting to do is save the experienced people by killing them... I was trying to show a front, a bluff of killing the experienced... Which would then cause the experienced to survive. Yes, that sounds stupid. No, it isn't. If I had worded my bluff a lot better, that could've worked, but mweh.

Note that everything I've been attempting to do is to curb the deadliness of the cult. I should point out that merely saying all of my reasoning causes a giant, ugly, paradoxical WIFOM that throws a giant spanner into everything I'm about to say, making it completely irrelevant.

But you know what? Causing a giant, ugly, paradoxical WIFOM would probably injure the non-town much more than the town itself.

Spoiler for Reasoning continuation you don't care about:
The question is simple: What will mafia and cult target?
Mafia will default to lynching the experienced. This much is a given. What would the cult do?

Another truth is that people value other people differently. I believe there are three "levels" of experience, based on how people think.

You have the genuinely experienced at the top. Everyone agrees that these are good players. These get nightkilled a lot and not because people think they're stupid annoying people. The mafia default to targeting these people. #Root

You have the fringe experience in the middle - some people will value thier opinion, but not everyone. The mafia might nightkill these people, but all in all, I suspect the cult will default to targeting these people. #Sky

And then in the bottom you have the nubcaiks. Due to thier newness and lack of contribution, these people seem to not be lynched or really mentioned a lot. Unless they're deemed annoying. In which case... They get lynched very quickly. #Me

Assuming that death wasn't a factor somehow, It would always be best case for the mafia and cult to target the most skilled they can, slightly attempting to deviate from each other. However, with the mafia killing the top, the cult is best converting the middle.

This is where the town comes in. If the town attacks the middle, and is open about it, that will force the cult to convert the bottom. Why is this important?
Twofold:
1) The middle is more alive - By killing the experienced, we save the experienced. It's an utter paradox, but it works, with the cult not hitting them. The benefits here are obvious.

2) I believe people converted at the bottom pile are easier to identify. Having thier entire objective changed will make them act suddenly very different.

Thus, we hinder the cult and slightly hinder the mafia.

And there we have it.

And with that done, I'll just see myself out.
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Re: Elements Mafia 49 - by ddevans96 https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=58517.msg1192790#msg1192790
« Reply #73 on: June 12, 2015, 01:29:20 pm »
What difference is there between lynching the experienced and letting them die to mafia?
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Re: Elements Mafia 49 - by ddevans96 https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=58517.msg1192796#msg1192796
« Reply #74 on: June 12, 2015, 03:32:15 pm »
The question is simple: What will mafia and cult target?
Mafia will default to lynching the experienced. This much is a given. What would the cult do?

Another truth is that people value other people differently. I believe

I truly don't care about anything else you typed after that. You're saying what you believe to be right or wrong. Like you said - People value other people differently.

Ever thought that maybe the way you value people don't really go along as to how other people value other people? (AKA did you actually take into account what you are preaching or are you just being hypocritical about it?)

You understand people value other people differently.

Then you completely ignored that and imposed your reasoning based on your conception of experience to make us lynch experienced players who may or may not die based on your own "experience" division.

I lol.

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Re: Elements Mafia 49 - by ddevans96 https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=58517.msg1192798#msg1192798
« Reply #75 on: June 12, 2015, 04:00:40 pm »
If we follow what you say, all the experienced players will soon be dead or Zombies. This is counterproductive to town winning.

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Re: Elements Mafia 49 - by ddevans96 https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=58517.msg1192803#msg1192803
« Reply #76 on: June 12, 2015, 05:05:59 pm »
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Re: Elements Mafia 49 - by ddevans96 https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=58517.msg1192813#msg1192813
« Reply #77 on: June 12, 2015, 05:48:27 pm »
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Re: Elements Mafia 49 - by ddevans96 https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=58517.msg1192841#msg1192841
« Reply #78 on: June 12, 2015, 08:09:27 pm »
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Re: Elements Mafia 49 - by ddevans96 https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=58517.msg1192851#msg1192851
« Reply #79 on: June 12, 2015, 09:48:23 pm »
Welp, that was a very quick turn on Frozen. RIP, Espithel, and whatever good/bad intentions we will soon discover.

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Re: Elements Mafia 49 - by ddevans96 https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=58517.msg1192852#msg1192852
« Reply #80 on: June 12, 2015, 09:53:38 pm »
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Re: Elements Mafia 49 - by ddevans96 https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=58517.msg1192854#msg1192854
« Reply #81 on: June 12, 2015, 10:04:42 pm »
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I actually have reasoning on why Frozen's strategy is lackluster.

Here's the thing - suppose we kill off all of the so called 'experienced' players from being converted. Okay, that happens. Guess what? The zombies will STILL convert anyone they get their hands on, and when you have non-experienced players trying to figure out scumtells of both zombies and government, it's going to be a complete clusterfudge-disaster unless a) they get lucky, b) they MASSIVELY step up their game and learn without anyone telling them what to do, or c) non-villager factions just take a day week indefinite trip off.

Not to mention, if the Doctors are good enough, they'll target those who have the most experience anyway to prevent them from being killed or converted.

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Re: Elements Mafia 49 - by ddevans96 https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=58517.msg1192856#msg1192856
« Reply #82 on: June 12, 2015, 10:17:22 pm »
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Re: Elements Mafia 49 - by ddevans96 https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=58517.msg1192859#msg1192859
« Reply #83 on: June 12, 2015, 11:01:41 pm »
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