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Re: Elements Mafia 44 - by qwerter https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=56988.msg1172092#msg1172092
« Reply #228 on: December 20, 2014, 04:06:31 am »
Okay, so my understanding, is that there is 1 civilian policeman, and 1 mafia policeman.
One policeman targetted crockett. One did not. The one that didn't said that Root is mafia, privately to Crockett.

... So we're lynching Root.
That's the gist, right?

I can figure everything else out as long as I understand that.
Yes, that's one of the reasons I'm being lynched. The other reason is because Crockett asked me what color the word "Civilian" was in the PM I received from qwerter. Since I refused to answer, it adds to the suspicion that I'm a mafioso. The real reason I refused to answer was, of course, because it would be cheating.
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Re: Elements Mafia 44 - by qwerter https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=56988.msg1172094#msg1172094
« Reply #229 on: December 20, 2014, 04:11:11 am »
kind of. You're missing a key component though. The policemen that didn't target me claimed to me and then we agreed for him to target root, so it wasnt an act of scummyness. Also, if root is mafia and the policemen is mafia, then the policemen would've most likely told me root is civlian, knowing the other policemen was targeting me. So everyone's practically decided that either the policemen that targeted root is mafia, or root is mafia. Root claimed politician, and policemen are better to protect then politician so Im refusing to give out who was the policemen and thus the only real option is to vote on Root. If root flips mafia, then the policemen is civvy. If root flips civvy, then I PM everyone during the night who the policemen that said root is mafia and we lynch him Day 3, and the other policemen will role claim to me giving civvy's a confirmed policemen and confirmed civvy, as well as anyone else who the policemen targets for N2. Afterwards I can share my information with them, and have bodyguard not hit me up anymore or keep hitting me up in fear of me being mafia. Currently the other policemen won't role claim, so I started a mass roleclaim to find out who the other policemen is.

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Re: Elements Mafia 44 - by qwerter https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=56988.msg1172095#msg1172095
« Reply #230 on: December 20, 2014, 04:13:06 am »
Him refusing to answer has nothing to do with him being lynched. Thats his own opinion. If you look at a couple of people who voted they specifically say they're not voting on root because of the color thing. Im not even voting on root because of the color thing.
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Re: Elements Mafia 44 - by qwerter https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=56988.msg1172096#msg1172096
« Reply #231 on: December 20, 2014, 05:10:30 am »
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Re: Elements Mafia 44 - by qwerter https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=56988.msg1172097#msg1172097
« Reply #232 on: December 20, 2014, 05:14:28 am »
How disastrous, on a scale 1 to 10 ,with 10 being devastating, for the civvy's would it be to publically say whose the civvy cop, when their is a 50/50 between him being mafia or civvy?
This isn't even a valid question. There isn't a 50/50 chance that the cop who targeted me is mafia. The fact that he claims I'm mafia makes it a 68% chance he's mafia. On a 1 to 10 scale, lynching the civ cop would probably be about a 4, and lynching me would probably be about a 4 as well. From my experience, it's just as important to interpret information as it is to acquire it. The civ cop isn't as important as you think it is, because we also have a Sociologist and Stalker. We have a total of 3 information roles, so it wouldn't be very disastrous to lose 1 of them. It would hurt just as much to lose the player who is among the most experienced at interpreting the information we acquire. But I suppose I'm a little biased, as I am the only player who can say with complete certainty that the cop who targeted me is mafia.

If you are civvy, and your civvy cop just died, how would you try to win the game / what would your plan be?
1.) Find a confirmed player - either mafia, or civilian. If the civy cop who died said I was mafia, then it would mean I am a confirmed mafioso.
2.) Have the Sociologist target the confirmed player (in this case, me) and somebody else. If the two players are not in the same faction, it means the other player must be civ. If the two players are in the same faction, it means the other player must be mafia. We continue to use the Sociologist ability each round on 1 confirmed player and 1 player whose identity is unknown. The role would work almost exactly like a cop does.
3.) Have the Stalker target suspicious players. If the Stalker shows that a player targeted the same player who was lynched, then we've likely found a mafioso.
4.) Repeat Steps 2 and 3 until we have either found all of the mafia or found all of the civilians.

If you are civvy, and your bodyguard just died, how would you try to win the game / what would your plan be?
It's exactly like the plan I showed above, only it's arguably a little easier because you have the civ cop role as well. But the only way the information from a cop could be useful is if the mafia cop has already died.

If you are civvy, and your bodyguard and policemen just died, how would you try to win the game?
Follow the plan above.
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Re: Elements Mafia 44 - by qwerter https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=56988.msg1172098#msg1172098
« Reply #233 on: December 20, 2014, 05:41:58 am »
If the two players are not in the same faction, it means the other player must be civ. If the two players are in the same faction, it means the other player must be mafia.


This implied faction is between mafia or civvy. But i thought mafia or civvy was primary, not faction based.
I thought faction was investigative or non-investigative.
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Re: Elements Mafia 44 - by qwerter https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=56988.msg1172099#msg1172099
« Reply #234 on: December 20, 2014, 05:42:25 am »
Qwerter, is faction mafia/civ or investigative/non-investigative.
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Re: Elements Mafia 44 - by qwerter https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=56988.msg1172101#msg1172101
« Reply #235 on: December 20, 2014, 05:50:23 am »
Anyway root, what you have done just now is help the civvies for once, reguardless of qwerter's answer. You helped me figure out how to use deathstalker.
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Re: Elements Mafia 44 - by qwerter https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=56988.msg1172104#msg1172104
« Reply #236 on: December 20, 2014, 06:14:02 am »
The problem with roots argument is that we shouldn't be deciding based on probability,  it needs to be based on a cost/benefit analysis. And the cost of potentially lynching our cop is so much more costly than lynching root.

Certainly root understands this. He's a smart guy. His arguments against it seem forced and nearly fallacious, and I don't believe they're coming from the mindset of a civilian.
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Re: Elements Mafia 44 - by qwerter https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=56988.msg1172105#msg1172105
« Reply #237 on: December 20, 2014, 06:17:00 am »
you guys do realize lawyer could fk this voting up? More on root plz. or 1 less on me.
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Re: Elements Mafia 44 - by qwerter https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=56988.msg1172109#msg1172109
« Reply #238 on: December 20, 2014, 06:47:44 am »
Something else to consider. If root is scum, and we let him live, all of the other scum will target him tonight. Our best advantage at this stage is the fact that the mafia are not organized. We need to preserve that.
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Re: Elements Mafia 44 - by qwerter https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=56988.msg1172115#msg1172115
« Reply #239 on: December 20, 2014, 07:47:08 am »
Something else to consider. If root is scum, and we let him live, all of the other scum will target him tonight. Our best advantage at this stage is the fact that the mafia are not organized. We need to preserve that.

Mafia can learn eachother by targeting the same person... they're already together mostly. 3 of them voted on me.
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