Elements Mafia 44 - by qwerter

[Elbirn]

EBWOP: If bodyguard is civvy, he'll be smart enough not to target you I hope. If bodyguard is scum, however, he's going to screw this plan up to prevent the town from getting set up.

Question is, are you a townie trying to gather everyone together and you overlooked one little thing, or scum trying to waste a night phase for the civvies

[CrockettRocket]

I just asked qwerter in a PM.
When bodyguard and a bunch of ppl target bodyguard, I the diplomat still see the list of failed abilities used against me. But because they're failed, the policemen won't get his report. So I will be sharing all information with people the policemen DOES confirm, then you guys are free to kill me as soon as the policemen gets a confirmed person, typically night 2 unless policemen gets lucky, which is still a win-win situation for civvies. I'll be sharing ALL info with the first confirmed civvy/maf. Players with targeting abilities know who they are, so they can double check and ask the confirmed person if I shared your information with them. Again, I'm willing to die to prove I'm civilian. Even if I'm mafioso, Id still have to search someone and be right in order for mafia to have all the information, which then that mafioso would have to search and be right, but with less chances of being right. If I was mafia, I would confirm a fellow mafia member before proposing this plan, and since I couldnt have searched anyone yet even if I was mafia, you can be sure Im civvilian via death.

[Elbirn]

Dm (1) - Dm
Submachine (1) - Submachine
Elbirn (4)- ddevans96, theelkspeaks, skyironsword, RootRanger
RootRanger (2) - iancudorinmarian, CrockettRocket
No Vote (4) - kirbylover314, Kuroaitou, bossitron, flyingcat
No Lynch (4) - Frozengaia, Zawadx, UTAlan, Elbirn

[theelkspeaks]

There are two ways people die in a game of mafia.

They get lynched or they get NKed.

People who get NKed are chosen by the mafia.

People who get lynched are chosen by everyone.

We need a high ratio of lynches to NKs to win the game as town because that gives us more chances to kill mafia.

So why are we no lynching? That just turns one opportunity for town to choose a death into an opportunity for mafia to choose a death.

[CrockettRocket]

Depends on number of players. If we have 1 mafioso in 4 players, 3 are civvies and the civvies lynch one of their own kind, mafia kills another one so then its 1 mafia 1 civvy = maf win. If their is 1 mafia 3 civvies and they no lynch day 1, then mafia kills a civvy thatd make day 2 have 2 civvies 1 mafia with another round of abilities used to gather information. In a much more large scale mafia game though you cant apply such logic mathmatically because of roles like anarchist.

[UTAlan]

Also, there isn't a guaranteed NK on N1 in this game.

[CrockettRocket]

on N1 you can be pretty sure the NK will be root or frozen, then N2 the other. Thnx to roots comment, mafia has until night 3 to collectify themselves. Their is one mafia policemen, and mafia have a slight numerical advantage this game so higher chances that there will be a group of 2. If they get lucky, they can even get a group of 3 which is the number of confirmed mafia needed.

[skyironsword]

Dm (1) - Dm
Submachine (1) - Submachine
Elbirn (3)- ddevans96, theelkspeaks, RootRanger
RootRanger (2) - iancudorinmarian, CrockettRocket
No Vote (4) - kirbylover314, Kuroaitou, bossitron, flyingcat
No Lynch (5) - Frozengaia, Zawadx, UTAlan, Elbirn, skyironsword

[flyingcat]

Dm (1) - Dm
Submachine (1) - Submachine
Elbirn (3)- ddevans96, theelkspeaks, RootRanger
RootRanger (2) - iancudorinmarian, CrockettRocket
No Vote (3) - kirbylover314, Kuroaitou, bossitron
No Lynch (6) - Frozengaia, Zawadx, UTAlan, Elbirn, skyironsword, flyingcat

This makes not lynching a whole lot easier! I feel bad for this "No Lynch" person we're lynching...

[Coffeeditto]

Dm (1) - Dm
Submachine (1) - Submachine
Elbirn (3)- ddevans96, theelkspeaks, RootRanger
RootRanger (2) - iancudorinmarian, CrockettRocket
No Vote (3) - kirbylover314, Kuroaitou, bossitron
No Lynch (7) - Frozengaia, Zawadx, UTAlan, Elbirn, skyironsword, flyingcat, Coffeeditto

[RootRanger]

Dm (1) - Dm
Submachine (1) - Submachine
Elbirn (2)- ddevans96, theelkspeaks
RootRanger (2) - iancudorinmarian, CrockettRocket
No Vote (3) - kirbylover314, Kuroaitou, bossitron
No Lynch (8) - Frozengaia, Zawadx, UTAlan, Elbirn, skyironsword, flyingcat, Coffeeditto, RootRanger

It's nice to see that I won't be lynched after all.

While elk makes a good point, a first round lynch does not really help the civilians any more than it helps the mafia, since the probability that we lynch a mafioso is pretty much equivalent to the proportion of players they represent. Furthermore, a prolonged game will allow for more information to be found, which is an advantage for the civilians.

I do love these rules, by the way. The mafia can't simply kill me tonight because they can't be certain that I'm not one of them. How delightful.

[kirbylover314]

Just asking, but does it really make a difference if I vote No Lynch instead of No Vote?