Elements Mafia 44 - by qwerter

[Submachine]

4) Politician, Influential, Lawyer and Astrologist are probably the most underpowered skills. Since the voting is always decided by the majority, their powers won't be useful until late game. But even to get there, we they need to survive.

[Elbirn]

Erm, why lynch Elbirn? He hasn't done anything to make me suspicious. In fact, ian doing this is a little... weird.

The reason why I'm doing this is because he practically suicided day 1 in my mafia by breaking a rule too. It's personal.

Well that's pretty thin reasoning to vote for me. If you want to be mad at me for breaking a rule, then okay. If I disrupted your game, then I apologize. But I think this game should be separate from any grudge or hurt feelings you may have, and voting for me for such reasons are hardly beneficial to town, as it shows more of an interest in getting payback then in finding actual scum.

So, RQS this stuff up:

1) Assuming you are a civilian, how would you try to win this mafia?
2) Assuming you are mafia, how would you try to win this mafia?
3) What are the three best civilian roles? Why is this?
4) What are the three worst civilian roles? Why is this?

1. Stop, collaborate, listen.
2. Well I won my only game as mafia by keeping my head down, shutting up, and letting everyone kill themselves. I have to imagine I'd do that.
3 & 4. I don't think it's very clear which roles are mafia and which are civilian, or if it's RNG'd the whole way round (Like we can have a civilian thief or an anarchist or something) Bodyguard, policeman, lawyer (as civilians) look like good roles to have that could work in tandem. Policeman confirms a civvy, bodyguards there to protect confirmed civvies at night, lawyer can prevent confirmed civvies from being lynched without outing any info (making claims or what not) Santa Claus looks like a fun role, if a bit out of place. Astrologist looks bad, I'd rather have influential. Not fond of student either. Can't think of a third role I don't like.

[Elbirn]

4) Politician, Influential, Lawyer and Astrologist are probably the most underpowered skills. Since the voting is always decided by the majority, their powers won't be useful until late game. But even to get there, we they need to survive.

dat slip.

[flyingcat]

I dunno, seems fishy. Might have put that there on purpose.

[Submachine]

I wanted to correct it but i overlooked. I blame EBWOP and Elbirn for spotting it.
Now it's up to you to decide if I wanted to correct it because it wasn't correct or because i just wanted to hide myself.

[flyingcat]

Oh god, he's using WIFOM logic! No pls, the horror!

[DoubleCapitals]

3 & 4. I don't think it's very clear which roles are mafia and which are civilian, or if it's RNG'd the whole way round (Like we can have a civilian thief or an anarchist or something) Bodyguard, policeman, lawyer (as civilians) look like good roles to have that could work in tandem. Policeman confirms a civvy, bodyguards there to protect confirmed civvies at night, lawyer can prevent confirmed civvies from being lynched without outing any info (making claims or what not) Santa Claus looks like a fun role, if a bit out of place. Astrologist looks bad, I'd rather have influential. Not fond of student either. Can't think of a third role I don't like.

To clarify, all secondary roles are completely independent of primary roles, so yes, civilian thieves/anarchists are possible.

[CrockettRocket]

Ok, so immah be NKd night 1 again. 
I refuse to answer RQS, as i find this benefiting mafia WAY more than civvies. 1st question offers a plan for civvies that, now known to mafia, can be countered easily. 2nd gives mafia a plan, and civvies generally cant counter anyway. 3rd tells mafia what roles to target. 4th isnt bad, but then you know its NOT my answer to 3.

Elbirn (1)-ian
Frozengaia(1)-CR

[Zawadx]

Right.

I joined this mafia to do only one thing, because, after all, having an opinion gets me lynched.

So, RQS this stuff up:

1) Assuming you are a civilian, how would you try to win this mafia?
2) Assuming you are mafia, how would you try to win this mafia?
3) What are the three best civilian roles? Why is this?
4) What are the three worst civilian roles? Why is this?

Give me a bit, and I'll answer these.

I need to ninja everyone else.

1 - By killing everyone else x) As I'm a civilian, that would mean I win.
2 - See above
3 - Mayor and Assassin are good for the lategame, and Bodyguard is pretty nice as protection. I'm not referring to investigative roles as we all know that they're good.
4 - Anarchist, Bodyguard and Mayor. Bodyguard and Mayor are same as above, and Mayor trumps Assassin imo since he disrupts a vote as well. Anarchist is just amazing for mafia.

[Submachine]

If Root won't come up with a twisted plan this time, that means everyone is officially on his own. This is exciting!

I highly suggest everyone to start looking for people who you think you can trust. The clues are not always obvious, but they can be spotted. Since mafias are also looking for teammates, you can try purposely looking scummy so they have a harder time to find their real partners. This game will benefit town a lot, because mafia's only strenght compared to town's numbers of people are their collective initial information sources and reliable nightkills - which they get none of around this time.

[CrockettRocket]

If you're searched then say publically so civvies have a rough idea who the mafia targeted/will target. If the doctor likes you, they'll save you.

[flyingcat]

Mafia gets one penalty free search, so we'll lack info for a bit. I kind of don't want to see Elbirn lynched for personal reasons though. ian, can you remove that vote?