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Re: Elements Mafia 44 - by qwerter https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=56988.msg1172220#msg1172220
« Reply #252 on: December 21, 2014, 02:47:57 am »
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Re: Elements Mafia 44 - by qwerter https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=56988.msg1172224#msg1172224
« Reply #253 on: December 21, 2014, 03:53:05 am »
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Re: Elements Mafia 44 - by qwerter https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=56988.msg1172251#msg1172251
« Reply #254 on: December 21, 2014, 09:51:44 am »
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Re: Elements Mafia 44 - by qwerter https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=56988.msg1172292#msg1172292
« Reply #255 on: December 21, 2014, 06:52:25 pm »
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I'm going to openly say this:
I still believe Root is innocent.
I believe this because of what Root said in chat two days ago.
That being that, he's kinda sick of just being the go-to kill target. Or not surviving until night 2.

He even said that this will be the last mafia he plays because of the... Let's be honest, somewhat stupidity we've (I) put him through. And something about all the good players being gone and having to deal with all the rabble, but that's really more arrogance and our (my) inexperience than anything else.

And if he's just said all of that as a ploy, then, uhm... Kudos. It worked.

But I don't think that'll sway anyone, so I'll just strengthen the vote.
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Re: Elements Mafia 44 - by qwerter https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=56988.msg1172295#msg1172295
« Reply #256 on: December 21, 2014, 07:07:20 pm »
Our vote is based on perfectly valid reasons, as has been explained countless times. If he flips civilian I'll eat my hat. I'll apologize for being tricked by scum, and see to it that Crockett hangs. If he flips scum and he still quits, then he's displayed some pretty poor sportsmanship and I really don't care if he leaves. Sorry.
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Re: Elements Mafia 44 - by qwerter https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=56988.msg1172303#msg1172303
« Reply #257 on: December 21, 2014, 07:31:15 pm »
If he flips scum I won' leave, simply because Im an important figure. If I was of minor importance, Id say fk it.
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Re: Elements Mafia 44 - by qwerter https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=56988.msg1172305#msg1172305
« Reply #258 on: December 21, 2014, 07:41:32 pm »
If he flips scum I won' leave, simply because Im an important figure. If I was of minor importance, Id say fk it.

You and root are similar in a way.

This amazing display of arrogance is sickening.

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Re: Elements Mafia 44 - by qwerter https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=56988.msg1172313#msg1172313
« Reply #259 on: December 21, 2014, 08:23:59 pm »
Our vote is based on perfectly valid reasons, as has been explained countless times. If he flips civilian I'll eat my hat. I'll apologize for being tricked by scum, and see to it that Crockett hangs. If he flips scum and he still quits, then he's displayed some pretty poor sportsmanship and I really don't care if he leaves. Sorry.

YOUR vote is based on valid reasons: you think I'm less than half as important as the civ policeman, so you would kill me even though there is just a 32% chance I'm mafia, as calculated earlier. Most of the rest of the votes are either blindly following the bandwagon, or based on a blatantly incorrect understanding of probability (Crockett and ian come to mind).

Whether or not I'm scum doesn't really even matter. The civilians made a decision that would most likely work to their detriment. If I'm scum, then congratulations, you got lucky and it was still a stupid decision to lynch me. If you have two Kings in Blackjack and ask for another card, it doesn't make your decision any less stupid just because the next card is an Ace. It just means that your stupidity paid off through sheer luck. But this is just one of many reasons.

There's the fact that Crockett cheated, and nobody seems to care in the slightest. The very next mafia will be hosted by a confirmed cheater, and I bet no one is even going to try to stop it. Crockett has responded, of course, by accusing me of cheating in Mafia 25. Not only is this a completely false accusation, but I was actually the one to try to add measures that would prevent cheating like that from happening in the future. Crockett, of course, then pretended he wasn't actually accusing me (he was.) And nobody on this forum even cares.

But even if we forget about all of this and move on, mafia still isn't any fun for me. If I'm civ, the mafia kill me as soon as they get the chance. If I'm mafia, the civilians investigate me at the beginning of the game. Would you join a game like this, Elbirn? Would it be fun for you? I really, really doubt it.

Mafia hasn't been much fun lately, and this mafia was the last straw. Do I not have the right to abstain from something that no longer brings me enjoyment? Is it poor sportsmanship to quit something that simply isn't any fun?

You have zero understanding of my situation, Elbirn, yet you still pass judgement, making accusations of poor sportsmanship. How disappointing.

I apologize to qwerter for all that I have caused. I still think your rules are very well designed, and thank you for hosting.
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Re: Elements Mafia 44 - by qwerter https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=56988.msg1172316#msg1172316
« Reply #260 on: December 21, 2014, 08:29:54 pm »
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Re: Elements Mafia 44 - by qwerter https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=56988.msg1172339#msg1172339
« Reply #261 on: December 21, 2014, 09:13:55 pm »
I do care about Crocket's cheating, but he claims what he did was technically not against the letter of the rules when he did it (in fact, it was added to the rules as a result.)  Thus, we can't penalize him, though I agree it was unethical and would like to see him have a little more respect for the game of mafia.

Crockett said earlier today that all players but 2 had claimed to him - me and one other - and there was only one cop claim.

Since only one cop claimed, I'm willing to believe the first claimed cop is a civvy cop, and the mafia cop was trying hard not to claim to avoid being put in the 1 for 1 scenario.

This post is also a public statement that I WILL NOT be answering ANY further questions from CR in chat, in this or any other mafia.  I have serious concerns about his mafia ethics, and do not want him to be the town leader in future games, or the source point for claims.  While the rules do not give us room to punish him for his attempt to gather information unethically, mafia is inherently a community game, and the community of players can act as it sees fit.
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Re: Elements Mafia 44 - by qwerter https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=56988.msg1172340#msg1172340
« Reply #262 on: December 21, 2014, 09:16:12 pm »
what did crockett actually do anyway?
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Re: Elements Mafia 44 - by qwerter https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=56988.msg1172342#msg1172342
« Reply #263 on: December 21, 2014, 09:21:07 pm »
He asked players to provide the color of the text in their role PM.  This was in practice equivalent to asking players to provide quotes of their role PM or timestamps of role PM, both of which are strictly forbidden, but not technically against the rules.

Furthermore, in previous games, he's continued asking for information after his death in chat via PM.  This is technically not against the rules, unless he tells still-living players, but is still something that increases my suspicion of his mafia ethics.
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