Elements Mafia 44 - by qwerter

[UTAlan]

Just got caught up on everything. I think Root was just giving an a honest answer to RQS and that "hiding" a mafia plan in broad daylight like that would be too risky if he was scum. Elbirn's comment that "For the record I have a cool role, you might not wanna kill me." is noteworthy, but could easily be something mafia would say to try to keep from being lynched, so I'm not convinced either way on that.

I'm going to no vote because I don't think mafia will be able to pull off a kill N1.

Sounds like decent logic.

Dm (1) - Dm
Submachine (1) - Submachine
Zawadx (1) - Zawadx
Elbirn (5)- ian, ddevans96, theelkspeaks, skyironsword, RootRanger
No Vote (8) - Elbirn, kirbylover314, Kuroaitou, bossitron, flyingcat,  Frozengaia, CrocketRocket, UTAlan

[Zawadx]

Crockett keeps bugging for root lynch... perhaps he's scared of Root's potential as civvie? If you are a civvie, you'll never threaten to go afk. Seems scummy.

HOST: If no vote is greater than highest bandwagon, will that have any effect? Or is no-vote just no-vote and people should just not do it to stop complicating vote list?

[DoubleCapitals]

Crockett keeps bugging for root lynch... perhaps he's scared of Root's potential as civvie? If you are a civvie, you'll never threaten to go afk. Seems scummy.

HOST: If no vote is greater than highest bandwagon, will that have any effect? Or is no-vote just no-vote and people should just not do it to stop complicating vote list?

1) No one gets lynched.
2) Not voting = No Vote. Expression of No Vote is preferred however.

[DoubleCapitals]

Whoops, got it wrong.

Not voting and voting to No Lynch are distinct (absent votes do not count). Still stacks together in the "no AFK/No Lynch 2 days in a row" however.

[Espithel]

Dm (1) - Dm
Submachine (1) - Submachine
Zawadx (1) - Zawadx
Elbirn (5)- ian, ddevans96, theelkspeaks, skyironsword, RootRanger
No Vote (7) - Elbirn, kirbylover314, Kuroaitou, bossitron, flyingcat, CrocketRocket, UTAlan
No Lynch (1) - Frozengaia

Welp, I want No Lynch, not No Vote.

[DoubleCapitals]

Extending the phase by 24 hours to give people time to confirm whether they're No Lynching or abstaining from the vote.

[Dm]

EXPLANATION :

No voting means your vote is void. No lynch means your vote is a vote for no one to die.

Practical example :

Dm (1) - Dm
Submachine (1) - Submachine
Zawadx (1) - Zawadx
Elbirn (5)- ian, ddevans96, theelkspeaks, skyironsword, RootRanger
No Vote (7) - Elbirn, kirbylover314, Kuroaitou, bossitron, flyingcat, CrocketRocket, UTAlan
No Lynch (1) - Frozengaia

 Like this, Elbirn dies, because 7 people are voting for no vote. If the 7 votes are "no lynch", that means you're voting for no one to die, and thus elbirn stays alive.

The difference is like this : Let's assume only I voted on myself in a further day in mafia, where only 5 people are alive

Dm(1) - Dm

the other 4 players do nothing. Since they're not voting, they are 'No Vote'. This is different than a no lynch - if it was the same, then their contigent of no vote would be higher than my vote on myself and I'd be alive. Therefore, the only way to not get a death is to vote " no lynch". "No vote" is a pretty dumb concept - if you have no vote to give, then simply abstain from voting, don't vote on "No vote".

Therefore, you guys need to clarify - are you not voting (you don't give a fuck about who dies) or are you not lynching (As in you don't want anyone to die?)

[Zawadx]

Dm (1) - Dm
Submachine (1) - Submachine
Elbirn (5)- ian, ddevans96, theelkspeaks, skyironsword, RootRanger
No Vote (7) - Elbirn, kirbylover314, Kuroaitou, bossitron, flyingcat, CrocketRocket, UTAlan
No Lynch (2) - Frozengaia, Zawadx

[CrockettRocket]

Dm (1) - Dm
Submachine (1) - Submachine
Elbirn (5)- ian, ddevans96, theelkspeaks, skyironsword, RootRanger
No Vote (7) - Elbirn, kirbylover314, Kuroaitou, bossitron, flyingcat, CrocketRocket, UTAlan
No Lynch (2) - Frozengaia, Zawadx

Dm (1) - Dm
Submachine (1) - Submachine
RootRanger (1) -CrockettRocket
Elbirn (5)- ian, ddevans96, theelkspeaks, skyironsword, RootRanger
No Vote (6) - Elbirn, kirbylover314, Kuroaitou, bossitron, flyingcat, UTAlan
No Lynch (2) - Frozengaia, Zawadx

Crockett keeps bugging for root lynch... perhaps he's scared of Root's potential as civvie? If you are a civvie, you'll never threaten to go afk. Seems scummy.

I've already listed the possibilities. But Ill be more thorough this time.

1.) Root is mafia, survives day 1, mafia search him, mafia is collected.
2.) Root is mafia, doesn't survive day 1, mafia can't search him, mafia kill frozengaia or is prevented by bodyguard, mafia being collected is unknown.
3.) Root is mafia, survives day 1, mafia don't search him, mafia being collected is delayed.
4.) Root is civilian PR, survives day 1, mafia search him, mafia being collected is delayed, mafia attempt to kill him N2 and is either negated or not by bodyguard.
5.) Root is civilian PR, survives day 1, mafia don't search him, mafia kill him, mafia being collected is unknown.
6.) Root is civilian PR, dies day 1, mafia can't search him, mafia kill frozengaia or is prevented by bodyguard, mafia being collected is unknown.

There are 2 red flags and 1 green flag, with a blue flag thrown in as neutral for both parties.
The 2 red flags are worst case scenarios. Whats common about them you ask? ROOT SURVIVING DAY 1. Conveniently our best possibility has root NOT surviving day 1. That's all it takes for me anyway. If you don't think thats good enough, then I threaten afk vote for days 2 and 3 because I refuse to help people who don't help themselves.

"Root's our strongest player" Root's also our strongest competitor. What makes him "our" player, when he's most likely mafia's player? Sure claim I'm scared of root being civvy and that im mafia. Idc. Kill me then since I plan on no voting days 2 and 3 anyway if root doesn't die day 1 to see if what im saying is in interest of civvies or mafia winning.

Can anyone provide a previous mafia where stronger evidence/probabilities for a lycnhed player was given? 

I even did an organized post, which I never do. I'm being serious, and can anyone recall an incident where I lied in a forum game?

[CrockettRocket]

6.) Root is civilian PR, dies day 1, mafia can't search him, mafia kill frozengaia or is prevented by bodyguard, mafia being collected is unknown.
EBWOP: This blue flag turns into a green flag if bodyguard prevents the mafia kill. Again, this green flag then would involve root NOT surviving day 1.

[iancudorinmarian]

So, are you people telling me that this:

a- b
No lynch- x, y (a, b, x, y being 4 random players)

leads to no lynch?

[CrockettRocket]

Yes. As usual.