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Re: Elements Mafia 43 - by iancudorinmarian https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=56534.msg1168999#msg1168999
« Reply #336 on: November 30, 2014, 08:10:59 pm »
We still have math and fippe to take care of.

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Re: Elements Mafia 43 - by iancudorinmarian https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=56534.msg1169052#msg1169052
« Reply #337 on: December 01, 2014, 12:41:09 am »
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« Reply #338 on: December 01, 2014, 05:12:18 am »
Fippe94 (3) - eljoemo, Coffeeditto, dawn to dusk

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Re: Elements Mafia 43 - by iancudorinmarian https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=56534.msg1169099#msg1169099
« Reply #339 on: December 01, 2014, 06:11:05 am »
Ok, so you want to kill Fippe(and me as his partner) because you believe he(and I) are mafia.

Lets take a quick look at what would happen if he is/isn't mafia:

There are 7 people left - qwerter, dawn to dusk, skyironsword, mathman101, eljoemo, Fippe94, Coffeeditto
out of these 7, 2 of them are mafia.

If we lynch Fippe and he is mafia, I(or whoever is his partner is) will kill someone Night 6, and then I'll be lynched day 7. If I am mafia the civies will win, but If I am not then there will be a head hunt by the remaining 3 on day 8 to find the final mafia. Thus if Fippe is mafia and I am his partner, then the civies are more then likely to win this if he is killed today.

If Fippe is not a mafia, then most likely I will still be assumed as his partner and will most likely be killed Night 6 as a semi-confirmed civy. Then of the remaining 5 you still have 2 mafias hiding, thus you would have to be lucky to kill both of them in the following Day 7 and Day 8. Thus if Fippe is not mafia and I am his partner, then most likely the mafia will win this if we kill him today.



Now where are the records and reasoning behind both me and Fippe being mafia? I know that everyone has their own ideas, and suggestions based on what they read here, as well as most of you have probably collaborated some form of database to reference to where you keep your ideas organized beteween you and your partner. But there are also some possible suggestions or accusations here in this topic, some by reliable sources(confirmed dead civies) some not as reliable (still living either as civy or mafia).




Case #1:
Spoiler for Submachine's quote:
More details on what i know about said people on the list. In case i die, i think it's better to all of you if you know more. For the next day, use this as a guide.

Spoiler for Dm:
He has 23,5% chance to be mafia with his partner.

Quote from CrockettRocket before he died:
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Strategizing with Dm, which is unlike him from other mafias.
We determined the least helpful ability is minor vamp. Since we dont know a mafia element, we're trying to lynch the least helpful role. Darkness claims are [...] and [...], thus we're lynching [...].

Me and Dm decided to make a bet! Dm is betting sub dies tonight, wagering his role. I made a bet saying sub lives, wagering my element. To get more info, Im gonna negate you targetting [...] tonight. Im gonna be targetting sub to make sure I win the bet. If [...] gets Guardian Angel, then i'll just have you target [...] night 2. If [...] gets crusader, then we get information anyway and dont lose a whole night. If I die tonight, lynch dm.

So he had reason to NK me during Night 1.
He made the excuse that i told people that I have potentially precious information, so it would be normal that mafia targets me. However, i only told it to CR and Dm, but CR was confirmed to be civvy next day, so his argument is invalid.

  • Every time when a lynch bandwagon started on him, he got extremely defending, which is also unlike him.
  • In previous mafia games when he was civvy, he usually started with voting himself, but it didn't happen this time. During Day 2, he did say something about wanting to vote self but this didn't cover why he didn't vote self during Day 1.
  • He also jumped on the opportunity to lynch a suspected townie during Day 1, namely Elbirn.
  • He undeniable spoke with an angry tone all the time he was defending. This is not Dm's usual style; Dm is always calm, ignorant and sarcastic. However, this time Dm was upset, serious and focused. And even thought his reasons were logical on defense, he didn't contribute anything to town, apart from trying to defend himself (he kept hiding behind his Phoenix role, so I got rid of it).
    Mafia tends to be aggressively defending if they are in the center of attention.
  • He also kept attacking my credibility many times, EVEN AFTER i was the only confirmed town member. Mafia trying to cause insecurity among town is only natural for me, and if you make the most reliable information source look unreliable instead of telling him what mistakes should be corrected, then you're hurting town very badly. Which is in favor for mafia.

If he ever turns out not to be mafia, his current Steal ability can be used to get a Phoenix back from a suspected mafia member.

Neither Dm nor his partner has Phoenix currently.
Spoiler for Fippe94:
He has 23,5% chance to be mafia with his partner.

He only told his element, but didn't say much more. He tried to give town a strategy that could have failed very easily.
If he is mafia, he's roleplaying so good that none of you will suspect him ever. That is the reason why he's suspicious.
Spoiler for eljoemo:
He has 23,5% chance to be mafia with his partner.

  • He and his partner were contacted by UTAlan during Night 1. So they knew that UTAlan was one leader of the Confirmed Townie Alliance. UTAlan died that night.
  • During Day 2, UTAlan contacted both of them with a plan, that could have distracted mafia. However, they never replied to UTA, not even during Night 2. Just because of the long time that passed, I doubt they never read UTA's message. They are either annoyingly inactive or didn't want to reply intentionally.
    The plan never took place sadly.
  • Once UTAlan died, they didn't even attempt to contact me.

The messages looked like this:

Quote from: UTAlan
Quote from: eljoemo
Quote from: UTAlan
Here is the plan: [...]. (The plan included namely me, Submachine)
If I'm going to do this, this better work. What if mafia and/or town ignores the plan? I'm willing to do this if you're sure this will work. (The plan inlcuded risking killing eljoemo)
Fair concern. The plan involves Sub, who is a prime target for NK. We have to wait what Day 3 holds.

Anothe message from UTAlan, but to eljoemo's partner only:
Quote from: UTAlan
I can't fully trust you yet, but i have reason to believe you're civvy. Mafia wouldn't gain much by telling who :death, and if you were mafia, you'd just probably kill me tonight. (UTAlan died that night)

My instincts say we should lynch Dm tomorrow. He made a bet on that mafia will target Sub, and interestingly enough, Sub was targeted.

I can't claim my element publicly, because that would attract the kills on me.

Sub is nearly confirmed civvy. You should be good setting up a Titanpad and inviting Sub to it. You have to earn his trust.
I repeat, they never attempted to contact me.

Later during Night 2, I sent a message to them, which contained highly important information. As eljoemo said, he only skimmed through it, which makes me question if eljoemo even tries to win if he's civvy. Even though, being on this level of clumsyness is more like a characteristic of town than a characteristic of mafia.

He's still not confirmed, but his team is not as suspicious as some others.
Spoiler for bossitron:
He has 23,5% chance to be mafia with his partner.

They are not confirmed, but they are one of the teams that UTA and I sort of trusted. Mainly, because they showed us their own Titanpad, which was created on November 14, almost right after they could have read their roles and before Night 1 started. This makes them look less suspicious, because it has a really low chance for mafia to instantly deduce that their pad will be accessed by others and create a fake pad right off the bat.

However, bossitron's current partner is a Phoenix, so if bossitron would flip civvy, we would win a durable confirmed townie to the team.
In case bossitron flips mafia, we need Dm to steal his partner's Phoenix role back.

If Dm and bossitron are both mafia, we're screwed. :/
Spoiler for skyironsword:
E has 6% chance to be mafia based calculations.

Let me explain. The only chance sky is mafia is that if ddevans96, aka Aether/Mindgate was the Forever alone townie, which has less chance than all other possibilites.

How can I tell the exact percentages of each people being mafia? Well, for the first time, these numbers have calculations behind them. Sharing the full calculation would tell mafia a probable civvy player, so you have to believe me that I'm right about the numbers.
The only one scenario in which sky's mafia is dd being the FAt.

Sub is now dead and he was a civilian. His quote comes from Day 3 so it is hard to know how accurate his info is, but what we do know is that he is at least trying to find the mafia effectively(unless he was throwing the game, which I don't think he ever would do).
Dm had a 23% chance to be mafia ---- he was a mafia, Sub was right.
Fippe has a 23% chance to be mafia ---- he is still alive, so who knows?
eljoemo has a 23% chance to be mafia ---- he is still alive so who knows?
bossitron had a 23% chance to be mafia ---- he was a civy, Sub was wrong.
skyironsword has a 6% chance to be mafia ---- he is still alive so who knows?

So from this our 2 main targets would be Fippe and eljoemo, however most likely 1 of them is mafia and the other is not, and both are probably not the same(mafia/mafia or civy/civy)



Case #2:
Spoiler for eljoemo's quote:
Someone (who wishes to remain anonymous) has PMed me, saying that Dm, elk, Fippe, and mathman are the mafia. This person says they got their information from Sub. They also said that we should vote on Fippe, and anyone who doesn't is suspicious / scum.

I have no idea what proof this person has, or why they asked me to tell everyone; I'm just doing what they told me to.

On Day 4 eljoemo is saying that from an anonymous source(how do we know that the source is not him?) that we should be lynching dm+elk, and fippe+math. With the death of Sub anyone could pose as one of Sub's confirmed allies and try to gain the confidence of the town to unbalance the town as a whole. I will admit that yes he was right about 1 of the pairs, so it may be likely that he could be right about the second pair also. However there is also the possibility that he is one of the mafia and trying to save his own skin by knowing that showing his knowledge of 1 mafia pair could help buy him time to get rid of more civies before he is found out about.




too long, didn't read:
- either math and Fippe are the remaining mafia pair, or eljoemo and dawn to dusk are the remaining mafia pair.
-If a civy is lynched today, there is a very low chance that the mafia will lose this.
-posting mafia ideas at 2 am is never good, unless you have more sleep or coffee  :P




If for whatever reason you do not wish to believe me and still want to kill Fippe today, then I accept defeat and wish you all the best of luck in killing the mafia.  ;D
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Re: Elements Mafia 43 - by iancudorinmarian https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=56534.msg1169123#msg1169123
« Reply #340 on: December 01, 2014, 08:23:06 am »
Fippe94 (3) - eljoemo, Coffeeditto, dawn to dusk
skyironsword (1) - qwerter

They were smart to keep the idiot alive. Also am I confirmed

d2d and eljoemo have a more dangerous set of skills if they are mafia, so I hope if it is not too late to change the wagon on d2d. Also I am starting a counterwagon to confirm sky, essentially. Next day we should have more confirmed, or even perhaps a mafia down.

Should I reveal what I know? I don't know roles, I know abilities. I might shoot myself in the foot if I do though.

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Re: Elements Mafia 43 - by iancudorinmarian https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=56534.msg1169130#msg1169130
« Reply #341 on: December 01, 2014, 01:01:45 pm »
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Re: Elements Mafia 43 - by iancudorinmarian https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=56534.msg1169141#msg1169141
« Reply #342 on: December 01, 2014, 04:57:06 pm »
Well, the day theoretically ended, but it seems more than half didn't vote, so I'll just give you 1 more day.

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Re: Elements Mafia 43 - by iancudorinmarian https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=56534.msg1169278#msg1169278
« Reply #343 on: December 02, 2014, 03:37:44 pm »
Well, the day theoretically ended, but it seems more than half didn't vote, so I'll just give you 1 more day.
ian you going to end the day or wait some more?
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« Reply #344 on: December 02, 2014, 03:39:40 pm »
Well, the day theoretically ended, but it seems more than half didn't vote, so I'll just give you 1 more day.
ian you going to end the day or wait some more?
I'll end it in a few minutes, it seems there's really no reason to wait.

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« Reply #345 on: December 02, 2014, 03:43:27 pm »
"We're sorry Fippe, but you've been the bad guy in a whole lot of situations. Maybe this is the case too!"

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« Reply #346 on: December 03, 2014, 02:34:40 pm »
"You are too silent. I don't like that. Let me silence you...FOREVER!"

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« Reply #347 on: December 04, 2014, 01:48:34 am »
I got this, okay?

dawn to dusk. Bonewall. Dangerous. 99% Certainty of being Mafia.

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