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Re: Elements Mafia 42 - by theelkspeaks https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=55880.msg1159570#msg1159570
« Reply #204 on: October 10, 2014, 11:17:51 am »
I dont find fippe or eljoemo as lurkers.
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Re: Elements Mafia 42 - by theelkspeaks https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=55880.msg1159571#msg1159571
« Reply #205 on: October 10, 2014, 11:21:51 am »
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hes trying to get bandwagons going. To me he's a mafia trying to get people to spit stuff out, anything, just to get information on where the civvies heads are. All the talk now I think is benefitting the mafia more than the civvies.
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Re: Elements Mafia 42 - by theelkspeaks https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=55880.msg1159577#msg1159577
« Reply #206 on: October 10, 2014, 11:40:34 am »
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hes trying to get bandwagons going. To me he's a mafia trying to get people to spit stuff out, anything, just to get information on where the civvies heads are. All the talk now I think is benefitting the mafia more than the civvies.

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This is more than a policy lynch now.
First: If I am the one trying to get bandwagons going, why are YOU the one bandwagoning?
I have said this before: My intention is to get people to discuss behavior, not to cause a bandwagon. When people started voting on you because I did the previous day, I was against that.

Second: Some information helps the townies. A different section of information helps the mafia. If you can't distinguish the difference between the information that helps townies and the information that helps mafia, you are a fool.
Wasn't it you that said that the townies should communicate, period? I agree.
And yet, here, when I try to evoke a conversation about the lurkers, you try to censor it.

The townies should lynch mafia. Mafia win more often when they obscure and confuse information.
Directly trying to silence the town is one of the scummiest things a person can do.

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Re: Elements Mafia 42 - by theelkspeaks https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=55880.msg1159578#msg1159578
« Reply #207 on: October 10, 2014, 11:58:33 am »
One of the people voting for me was killed during the night. Should we take that to mean that the other ones voting for me are mafia? Or that the ones voting for the lynching counterpart are mafia? Or even that the mafia aren't involved in the tie-bandwagon?
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Re: Elements Mafia 42 - by theelkspeaks https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=55880.msg1159579#msg1159579
« Reply #208 on: October 10, 2014, 12:00:56 pm »
Honestly I dont even plan on sticking to my vote. I think townies should definitely communicate, just be less public about all their information or else mafia will know who to target. I suspect they killed Kuro, a lurker, not because hes do an amazing social game, but because he had a good role. I think you're trying to get townies to be very public about all their information. I dont want to silence townies at all. As for trying to shut you up about lurkers, its day 3 bud. People have plans to vote on specific people they fid suspicious rather than a stupid kill lurkers vote. Mafia are active people by now since this thread's been talking about lurkers the entire time. Go back to every mafia where civvies won, is there 18 frikin pages by day 3?! If so, links please. If you want, Ill provide you links for every unnumbered mafia as well.
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Re: Elements Mafia 42 - by theelkspeaks https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=55880.msg1159583#msg1159583
« Reply #209 on: October 10, 2014, 12:36:40 pm »
People, why are you starting to vote? Just let me gather all the info I can and I'll tell you who's suspicious.

I already have a plan to protect me from dying, but I won't say it. And please don't ask me questions regarding my plan because you'll end up helping the mafia. Thanks.

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Re: Elements Mafia 42 - by theelkspeaks https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=55880.msg1159584#msg1159584
« Reply #210 on: October 10, 2014, 12:38:20 pm »
Honestly I dont even plan on sticking to my vote. I think townies should definitely communicate, just be less public about all their information or else mafia will know who to target. I suspect they killed Kuro, a lurker, not because hes do an amazing social game, but because he had a good role. I think you're trying to get townies to be very public about all their information. I dont want to silence townies at all. As for trying to shut you up about lurkers, its day 3 bud. People have plans to vote on specific people they fid suspicious rather than a stupid kill lurkers vote. Mafia are active people by now since this thread's been talking about lurkers the entire time. Go back to every mafia where civvies won, is there 18 frikin pages by day 3?! If so, links please. If you want, Ill provide you links for every unnumbered mafia as well.


If people have plans to vote on people they find suspicious, they should feel free to tell us them.
I plan to kill the lurkers, because lurkers are always inherently suspicious.
Is this any different?

Assuming Kuro is/was a PR, who told the mafia that?
That was never mentioned in this thread.
If the mafia did kill Kuro due to being a PR, that was told in a private conversation.
Who told the mafia that?
I don't know. We never will know, most likely. If Kuro is/was a PR, and someone told the mafia, unsuspectingly, that they were, that someone will be too ashamed to step forward and tell the truth.
And because we don't know, we're at a disadvantage.

If someone publicly told someone that Kuro was a PR... Well, who's going to do that, honestly?
Telling EVERYONE makes you do better plays and makes you less likely to do stupid things... like telling EVERYONE, thus, THE MAFIA, who someone's role is.
Then again, we could blame Kuro for telling an uncomfirmed person their role...

Someone's role is not what I'm interested in. Don't ever give that away unless you absolutely have to.
Of course, if you're being that stupid to roleclaim to others without a reason, you kinda deserve to die. Juuuuust sayin'.

And as for the 18 pages by day 3 argument, correlation does not make causation. Just because a mafia thread has less pages doesn't mean the townies suddenly win.
I haven't looked at previous mafias, but I'm pretty sure D2D got about 14 pages by day 3.
But it doesn't matter too much- the last few mafias were quite badly set up, this one seems fine...r.

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Onto Ian, it's easy to change our votes if need be. If this time was used more effectively, we could have used this time to investigate more, and use those investigations AND your investigations.

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Re: Elements Mafia 42 - by theelkspeaks https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=55880.msg1159585#msg1159585
« Reply #211 on: October 10, 2014, 12:41:31 pm »
Ok Ian! Like I said I don't plan on sticking to my vote. As soon as you give the orders ill move my vote. Im just voting because frozen so badly wanted people to vote when townies already have a plan, thus i voted for him.  ::)
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Re: Elements Mafia 42 - by theelkspeaks https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=55880.msg1159595#msg1159595
« Reply #212 on: October 10, 2014, 01:33:32 pm »
Hi fellow citizens.
Oh course I am lurker, being first time in this town and emotionally devastated that people are lynched to dead into bright daylight. Was that hint that kills at night are not devastating - who knows?-)

Being my first mafia, I'm also bit unfamiliar about the metagame (or is there even anything else that meta in this game?), but ofcourse I can reveal I am civilian.
Okay, I know meta that much, that regardless my role, civilian or mafia, I would anyway claim to be civilian :D

Should I post my true identity to iancudorinmarian?

If every person post their info to ian now, following will happen:
- Mafia will also post fake roles too, so some of roles which are informed twice, makes one of them civilian, one mafia.
- Posting unique role, quarantees you to be civilian. Yes?
- If you don't post, you are either inactive lurker civilian or stupid mafia. Either way dead soon if we bandwagon ian.

Sounds somewhat ideal solution to post role to ian, but where is the spoken consensus from others that says we trush ian and we post roles? Now ian claims other are posting, are you?
Please, make such statements and I post my role, since I'm neither inactive civilian or stupid mafia.




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Re: Elements Mafia 42 - by theelkspeaks https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=55880.msg1159596#msg1159596
« Reply #213 on: October 10, 2014, 01:42:03 pm »
As UTAlan has pointed out, it is very possible that ian is mafia, and that the real Warden is already dead. Not likely maybe, but definitely possible. That said, I am vanilla civvie, so I will send my role regardless. Just keep this in mind.
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Re: Elements Mafia 42 - by theelkspeaks https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=55880.msg1159599#msg1159599
« Reply #214 on: October 10, 2014, 01:48:53 pm »
While the kids argue and Brusterix states the blatant obvious...

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Re: Elements Mafia 42 - by theelkspeaks https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=55880.msg1159601#msg1159601
« Reply #215 on: October 10, 2014, 01:54:59 pm »
Arguing kids are the best kids.

Anyway, Root said that Ian was the warden, to which Ian confirmed.
That pretty much dispels my fears that Ian/Root are scumbags.

 

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