Elements Mafia 41 - by dawn to dusk

[Kuroaitou]

Signing up

[theelkspeaks]

I'm in, especially since it's a d2d mafia!

I have faith in you d2d!

[Espithel]

Angelic king is far more powerful than demonic lord.

But oh well. Obligatory sign up. :D

[Dm]

Something about mafia
Getting NK'd first round

In

[DoubleCapitals]

m e

Long time no see!

[dawn to dusk]

Angelic king is far more powerful than demonic lord.

But oh well. Obligatory sign up.

Not necessarily. Depends on how cryptic I am. Let's say I do nurse. People will most likely think I mean heal but I might be referring to ji's mafia where nurses killed people.

[mathman101]

another mafia, and another sign up for me.

i'm in

[eljoemo]

In or something like that

[iancudorinmarian]

In

[RootRanger]

The last two mafias had a couple...problems. This time I'd like to get them sorted out before the game begins. It's nothing personal.

Anyway, what sets this mafia apart from the rest is that there are TWO mafia teams, as well as a survivor to go with each mafia team! How this will work is each night phase, the two scum teams will get a kill each. If, by chance, they target the same person, they will get an overkill message and a cookie.

Who is notified that the two mafias targeted the same player? The mafias? The player who was targeted? Everyone?

They may work together if they wish, however, it will ultimately come down to 1 mafia team or the civilians as the winner(s). The survivors will only be able to win if they end the game alive with either their respective mafia team, or the civilians. If they are killed, or they endgame with the opposing mafia team, they will lose.

This is unfair. Everyone else wins if their side wins, but the Survivors have to stay alive. Seriously? Usually, most of the players die before the game ends. The odds are horrendously stacked against the Survivors.

Life
Passive and EoR
Lesser Angelic
Receives bonuses from angelic mafia (Passive) | Protect target from death for the next night (EoR)

Death
Passive
Lesser Demonic
Receives bonuses from demonic mafia (Passive) | When lynched, can target one player and kill them.

These players are civilians, correct?

Earth
Passive
Stone Skin
Avoids killing via lynch or NK twice.

Is anyone informed that the Stone Skin ability was used?

Time
ER
Golden Hourglass
Target player may use it's ability a second time during this night phase. 

Ok this sounds nice, but how will the target know he can use his ability a second time? Should everyone just send in multiple targets just to be safe?

Fire
OU
Red Nymph
Target 2 players. The next day, voting can only be between them.

Does this mean that only these two players can vote, only these two players can be voted on, or both? And are we informed of who these two players are?

Water
OU
Nymph Tears
Target a player. You will gain their secondary role (may be used again if target is vanilla).

Can the secondary role be used the night that Nymph Tears was used, or only the following night?

Angelic King
8xOU
Angel God
Is given 8 OU abilities to use. The effects of these abilities are hidden. Can only use up to 2 per night phase.

What?
Seriously, what?
This has the potential to make the rules horrifically imbalanced, and we wouldn't even know.

Demonic Lord
OU
Nightmare
The next night phase, any person who targets a demonic mafia member dies instantly.

By "instantly," does this mean players would actually die in the middle of the night phase?


And lastly, the most important question of all: what is stopping the first confirmed civilian from deducing who all the mafia are simply by asking for a mass roleclaim? Because this is exactly how the last two games went, and I'm damn tired of it.

Again, nothing personal. Your rules are not any worse than the ones I've seen before. This time, I'm just going to try to do something about it.

[iancudorinmarian]

I agree with Root. I think there should be a rule that you can't ask for roleclaims publicly. It's more fun this way.

[RootRanger]

That's not at all what I'm saying.

If the rules are somewhat decent, a mass roleclaim will not result in the majority of the players being proven to be a civilian. I don't see how this is so incredibly difficult for people to understand. Most of the roles should simply be for both civilians and mafia members.

There can be roles unique to the mafia members, since the mafia members would claim to be civilians anyways. There can be a couple roles unique to the civilians, like the cop and the doctor.

The remaining civilians would be vanilla civilians so that the mafia can claim to be a vanilla civilian instead of randomly picking a civilian role and then instantly becoming suspicious when that role is already claimed.

Then, there would be secondary roles. Every player would have a secondary role, and secondary roles would randomly be given to either mafia members or civs.

This way, vanilla civilians can still get interesting roles, and a mass roleclaim will not end the game.

It's really not that difficult. This is how it used to be played. I don't know what the hell has happened in the last few mafias.

If you still don't understand, look at my mafia for an example.