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Re: Elements Mafia 40 - by Zawadx https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=54887.msg1144586#msg1144586
« Reply #156 on: July 09, 2014, 02:39:32 pm »
The Oracle should certainly NOT make a role claim.

Give me a little time to write out a longer post. In the mean time, no one do anything stupid.
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Re: Elements Mafia 40 - by Zawadx https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=54887.msg1144587#msg1144587
« Reply #157 on: July 09, 2014, 02:41:35 pm »
Aneninen, the Special Spins Technician is in the Day Phase post by Zawad. SoW targeted ian, yes.

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Re: Elements Mafia 40 - by Zawadx https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=54887.msg1144588#msg1144588
« Reply #158 on: July 09, 2014, 02:44:40 pm »
Skyironsword: thanks for the explanation. Well, I don't think I would like to lynche Iancudorinmarian anyway.

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Re: Elements Mafia 40 - by Zawadx https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=54887.msg1144589#msg1144589
« Reply #159 on: July 09, 2014, 02:54:16 pm »
Goes without saying that the cop with an Inno report is Sane. If this is you, go contact the Innocent dude via PM.

Likewise, if ya'll can clear people with other investigative roles, just go ahead.

I would ask of the cleared person by the cop to claim, but I just realised a fatal flaw, if the Sane cop gets a Guilty report, and no one claims, mafia's fakeclaim could turn out 'Uncounterclaimed'.

As of now, as WIFOMish as it seems, ian could more likely be mafia.

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Re: Elements Mafia 40 - by Zawadx https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=54887.msg1144590#msg1144590
« Reply #160 on: July 09, 2014, 03:07:08 pm »
Goes without saying that the cop with an Inno report is Sane. If this is you, go contact the Innocent dude via PM.

Likewise, if ya'll can clear people with other investigative roles, just go ahead.

I would ask of the cleared person by the cop to claim, but I just realised a fatal flaw, if the Sane cop gets a Guilty report, and no one claims, mafia's fakeclaim could turn out 'Uncounterclaimed'.

As of now, as WIFOMish as it seems, ian could more likely be mafia.

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Re: Elements Mafia 40 - by Zawadx https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=54887.msg1144592#msg1144592
« Reply #161 on: July 09, 2014, 03:09:54 pm »
SoW is inherently a role that aids the mafia.
I mean, sure, mafia could have used it on you to pin suspicion on you. In any case, might change it tomorrow.
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Re: Elements Mafia 40 - by Zawadx https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=54887.msg1144594#msg1144594
« Reply #162 on: July 09, 2014, 03:11:31 pm »
But why would I be mafia? I don't get the reason.

Click here for an explanation of WIFOM.

As of now, as WIFOMish as it seems, ian could more likely be mafia.

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Re: Elements Mafia 40 - by Zawadx https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=54887.msg1144596#msg1144596
« Reply #163 on: July 09, 2014, 03:14:22 pm »
So, as a newb who understands very little:
Voting Power gives you more votes each day?
Voting Total makes more (Imaginary) people vote to lynch you each day?

Well, surely, SoW would only be a "Pin the blame on you" kind of move, right?
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Re: Elements Mafia 40 - by Zawadx https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=54887.msg1144597#msg1144597
« Reply #164 on: July 09, 2014, 03:18:25 pm »
Voting Power means your vote counts as multiple people. Voting Total means you have imaginary people voting on you.

Let's say Player A has a voting power of 3 and a normal voting total of 0. Player B has a normal voting power of 1 and a voting total of 3. They vote on each other.

The vote display doesn't include Voting Power and Voting Total, so it would read:

Player A (1) - Player B
Player B (1) - Player A

Normally, this means one would randomly be lynched. But the host would see it as:

Player A (1) - Player B
Player B (6) - Player A, Player A, Player A, Imaginary Guy, Imaginary Guy, Imaginary Guy

Now, SoW means they're much easier to lynch but impossible to nightkill. This would generally be used on a civilian to skew the votes. However, mafia knows this and can use it one of their own to help them fake being a civilian.

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Re: Elements Mafia 40 - by Zawadx https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=54887.msg1144598#msg1144598
« Reply #165 on: July 09, 2014, 03:21:12 pm »
SoW is inherently a role that aids the mafia.
I mean, sure, mafia could have used it on you to pin suspicion on you. In any case, might change it tomorrow.
Well, let's just wait and see what Root says. He said "no one do anything stupid", and now you just vote on me. I suspect that you are a scum if you act like this. Sure, you might say that a scum would wait till the end of the day and vote, but sky showed me that WIFOM thing, so I changed my way of thinking. Anyway, I may not have the power to lynch you alone, but maybe others will help me.

Until Root reveals his strategy, I might as well put my vote on you, just in case.

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Re: Elements Mafia 40 - by Zawadx https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=54887.msg1144599#msg1144599
« Reply #166 on: July 09, 2014, 03:30:04 pm »
...So, Yes, Sky.

... If I was a "scumzor" as they call it, what would I use SoW on...
Well, the doctors would be protecting the brains of the group, that being Root and Aneninen, and SoW would make them easier to lynch...

What was Ian doing on the past day... Not much.
It does seem pretty random indeed.

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Re: Elements Mafia 40 - by Zawadx https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=54887.msg1144600#msg1144600
« Reply #167 on: July 09, 2014, 03:32:29 pm »
Well, I guess that boils down to what your definition of 'doing anything stupid' is. For me that basically means don't claim/reveal to the thread (and the mafia) who the important roles are. Imo since votes are switchable around till the end of the day I don't think what I've done would be classified as stupid. But it's still early I guess. Revealing clears is tough this time ><

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