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Re: Elements Mafia 40 - by Zawadx https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=54887.msg1144601#msg1144601
« Reply #168 on: July 09, 2014, 03:34:44 pm »
skyironsword and I are confirmed civilians. We have both been targeted by the Oracle, and our skills and identities were revealed to each other. One of us is an admin, and the other is Shakif. Everyone needs to send us your role, in order for us to deduce who are the Shards and OP Monstrosity.

I realize it is possible that we could both be Shards, or one of us could be a shard and the other could be the OP Monstrosity. So, let's look at a little probability.

There are 7 Gamebots, 2 Admins, 3 Shards, and 1 OP. For the purposes of proof by contradiction, assume skyironsword and I are both Shards/OP.

There is a 7/9 chance that Shakif is in the game. If skyironsword and I were both Shards/OP, then there would be a 78% chance the REAL Shakif would speak up, and we would be discovered to be lying about our claim. Of course, there's also the possibility that Shakif is not in the game. If this is the case - there are 8 gamebot skills left to be given to 7 gamebots - so there would then be a 7/8 chance that the Oracle is in the game.

If the Oracle is in the game, there is an extremely high chance that the Oracle targeted at least one Gamebot/Admin. This probability is (1-(4/12)(3/11)), or 10/11. Thus, if Shakif is not in the game, there is a (7/8)(10/11), or 80% chance that the Oracle is in the game AND the Oracle targeted at least 1 Gamebot/Admin.

So, overall, the chance that Shakif is not in the game AND the Oracle did NOT target at least one Gamebot/Admin is (1-(7/9))(1-(7/8)(10/11)), or 1 in 22.

In other words, it would be extremely improbable that two Shards, or 1 Shard and the 1 OP Monstrosity could lie about being targeted by the Oracle and being Shakif without being proven wrong by the REAL Oracle and Shakif.

Thus, we are almost certain to be telling the truth.
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Re: Elements Mafia 40 - by Zawadx https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=54887.msg1144602#msg1144602
« Reply #169 on: July 09, 2014, 03:35:30 pm »
TL:DR; Send your role to RootRanger and skyironsword so that we can find out who to lynch!
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Re: Elements Mafia 40 - by Zawadx https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=54887.msg1144604#msg1144604
« Reply #170 on: July 09, 2014, 03:37:29 pm »
Well, I guess that boils down to what your definition of 'doing anything stupid' is. For me that basically means don't claim/reveal to the thread (and the mafia) who the important roles are. Imo since votes are switchable around till the end of the day I don't think what I've done would be classified as stupid. But it's still early I guess. Revealing clears is tough this time ><

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Re: Elements Mafia 40 - by Zawadx https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=54887.msg1144606#msg1144606
« Reply #171 on: July 09, 2014, 03:39:31 pm »
qwerter (1) - iancudorinmarian

Yeah, urgh, my vote was based on the assumption that you were targetted by the SoFo ability..

Oh whoop. Clears. #RootforMasterofMafia2014 No really, the day that Root plays as the mafia, we're done for.
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Re: Elements Mafia 40 - by Zawadx https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=54887.msg1144607#msg1144607
« Reply #172 on: July 09, 2014, 03:42:19 pm »
I'll just wait for sky to verify what Root's saying.

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Re: Elements Mafia 40 - by Zawadx https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=54887.msg1144608#msg1144608
« Reply #173 on: July 09, 2014, 03:44:25 pm »
Yep.

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Re: Elements Mafia 40 - by Zawadx https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=54887.msg1144609#msg1144609
« Reply #174 on: July 09, 2014, 03:48:59 pm »
qwerter (1) - iancudorinmarian

Yeah, urgh, my vote was based on the assumption that you were targetted by the SoFo ability..

Oh whoop. Clears. #RootforMasterofMafia2014 No really, the day that Root plays as the mafia, we're done for.
Ok then, I'll just remove my vote as well. Until Root figures out something:

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« Reply #175 on: July 09, 2014, 03:51:27 pm »
Oh, one more thing. Now this is kinda obvious, but if you used your skill last night, be sure to tell me about it.
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Re: Elements Mafia 40 - by Zawadx https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=54887.msg1144611#msg1144611
« Reply #176 on: July 09, 2014, 04:07:56 pm »
I'd assume now we'd have to lynch someone.

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Re: Elements Mafia 40 - by Zawadx https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=54887.msg1144612#msg1144612
« Reply #177 on: July 09, 2014, 04:09:37 pm »
I'd assume now we'd have to lynch someone.
The more people who send me their skill, the more accurate the lynch can be. Let's give it some time, first.
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« Reply #178 on: July 09, 2014, 04:11:52 pm »
As you wish.

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Re: Elements Mafia 40 - by Zawadx https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=54887.msg1144645#msg1144645
« Reply #179 on: July 09, 2014, 09:24:33 pm »
WAIT! Do not send PMs yet.
However, if you're Shakif or Oracle, claim in public immediately!

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