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Re: Elements Mafia 39 - by eljoemo https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=54601.msg1139317#msg1139317
« Reply #84 on: June 07, 2014, 09:31:57 am »
1. Aside from being an admin, I think that the Helper is the most useful, assuming that their voting power is increased permanently (if not, then I guess Veteran is really good, since 50% to ignore rage quitting by trolls is significant).
2. It fills up my time nowadays since PvP and grinding the game are not that enticing... also, I'm an FGO now, so I have to at least participate in ONE game. ^^;
3. What Ungaros said, but I think if the Hackers somehow find each other, they need to figure out a pattern to 'not vote' and let the admin investigations reveal themselves so people can figure out who is who.

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Re: Elements Mafia 39 - by eljoemo https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=54601.msg1139318#msg1139318
« Reply #85 on: June 07, 2014, 09:47:05 am »
Let's do RQS: (If you don't participate, you're getting my vote)

1. What do you think is the best ability available in this mafia?
2. Why do you like playing mafia?
3. What is the best strategy for the town to take with their abilities?

1. I have no idea
2. I never said I liked it
3. Definitely not one that is said out loud and explained thoroughly as an answer to a RQS for all to see.

I just don't want a vote.

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Re: Elements Mafia 39 - by eljoemo https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=54601.msg1139327#msg1139327
« Reply #86 on: June 07, 2014, 10:54:31 am »
1. The Hacker is powerful, he or she should start hacking and we have the results of the first Admin-check.

2. I've been playing Mafia IRL for more than 20 years (however, with different rules). For playing Mafia you need both logic and psychology and still it's really funny.

3. It's crucial that The Admins must find their sanity as soon as they can and this should be helped by the others as well (if they can) – see later!
The PVP-er could start fighting as he has some suspicion. This role gets powerful as soon as The Admins clear his/her name.
I've already talked about the The Hacker. But, non-voting may turn the Hacker into a prone target for trolling. Perhaps it'd be good if a Regular civilian (or two of them) mimic-ed The Hacker's voting and non-voting pattern – if so, The Trolls couldn't be sure about The Hacker's identity.
The Inactive One seems to be a "living paradox" for me. His or her bad luck is the good luck of The Admins. Since The Inactive is the only one who does NOT get mod-killed after two days of inactivity, as soon as he or she returns his/her identity is cleared. Therefore, The Admins should check anyone who does nothing for 2 days and starts being active next. After this day The Inactive One's task is finished and most probably gets trolled for good (unless The Trolls have a more valuable target).
I don't understand the role of The Addict so I don't have any ideas about it.
The Veteran should be as active on the forum as he/she can. He/she has some chance to avoid lyching and 50% to avoid trolling! As Ungaros wrote, The Veteran could be an adequate leader of the civilians.
It's obvious that everyone should read this forum as many times as it's possible but it's the most important for The Lurker since he or she should "summarize" everything in one post. If The Lurker starts lurking now, his/her role can be easily identified – another help for The Admins. Thus, everyone else should pay attention: post more than once so as to identify The Lurker. On the other hand, The Lurker might "mix the strategy" of lurking and non-lurking and cross his/her finger for The Inactive One's inactivity. A living Lurker is better than a living Inactive because the latter one has no vote advantage.
The Helper must keep in mind that he or she can protect a player only ONCE. The main "targets" should be obviously The Admins, The Hacker and The Lurker or The PVP-er, I think. (It's no use protecting the other two characters, in my opinion.) So, The Helper must construct a hypothesis about the roles as soon as he/she can.
Finally, don't underestimate the role of the Regular civilian! They can turn the tide of the game if The Trolls start to believe that they are Admins or The Hacker/Helper/Veteran and they might troll non-special players instead of specials. In addition, their regular posting can help setting aside The Inactive and The Lurker. Keep in mind: in Mafia it's your TEAM which wins!
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Re: Elements Mafia 39 - by eljoemo https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=54601.msg1139328#msg1139328
« Reply #87 on: June 07, 2014, 11:17:35 am »
1. Don't know, and it doesn't seem like a good idea to tell publically anyway.
2. Because.
3. I think the best strategy is to not use hacker's ability first turn, and all admins should investigate themselves first turn. Two of them will get 'Troll-message', these two are the Badmin and Sadmin, two of hem will get 'non-troll message', these two are the Admin and Gladmin. Now when the Badmin/Sadmin get a 'non-Troll message', the target must be a troll, and when the Admin/Gladmin gets 'Troll-message' the target must be a troll.
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Re: Elements Mafia 39 - by eljoemo https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=54601.msg1139334#msg1139334
« Reply #88 on: June 07, 2014, 12:24:01 pm »
1. What do you think is the best ability available in this mafia?
2. Why do you like playing mafia?
3. What is the best strategy for the town to take with their abilities?
1) Admin
2) I just like it. It's a fun way to spend more time on the forums, trying to investigate. This makes me visit the forums more often :)
3) I'm not really good at coming up with a strategy. I guess admins finding out their sanity as soon as possible and "recruit" people they are absolutely sure they aren't mafia.

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Re: Elements Mafia 39 - by eljoemo https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=54601.msg1139335#msg1139335
« Reply #89 on: June 07, 2014, 12:36:47 pm »
3. Now when the Badmin/Sadmin get a 'non-Troll message', the target must be a troll, and when the Admin/Gladmin gets 'Troll-message' the target must be a troll.
Wait, doesn't the Sadmin always get "Troll" and the Gladmin always "Non-Troll"? What you're saying doesn't make sense.

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Re: Elements Mafia 39 - by eljoemo https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=54601.msg1139337#msg1139337
« Reply #90 on: June 07, 2014, 12:47:03 pm »
You misunderstood me. After they have targeted themselves we will have two Glad/Admin and two Sad/Badmin. It is true that the Gladmin will always get Troll, but since the Glad/Admin don't know who he is, if he gets a Troll message, he knows he is Admin and then who is troll. The Gladmin won't get any troll-messages, so he will never know who he is basically. He will only know he is Glad/Admin. So what I meant was that *if* any of the Glad/Admin gets a Troll-message, he will know that one is a troll.
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Re: Elements Mafia 39 - by eljoemo https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=54601.msg1139338#msg1139338
« Reply #91 on: June 07, 2014, 12:49:47 pm »


1. What do you think is the best ability available in this mafia?
2. Why do you like playing mafia?
3. What is the best strategy for the town to take with their abilities?


1. The host one.
2. What Dm said.
3. Ask to mafia to build a titan pad, then set up a small group of people to manage it, including few mafia members. Then go around asking to people randomly what is their roles and, based only on questions, write down a totally wrong list of each roles. Leave the game in day 2.
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Re: Elements Mafia 39 - by eljoemo https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=54601.msg1139339#msg1139339
« Reply #92 on: June 07, 2014, 01:04:59 pm »
You misunderstood me. After they have targeted themselves we will have two Glad/Admin and two Sad/Badmin. It is true that the Gladmin will always get Troll, but since the Glad/Admin don't know who he is, if he gets a Troll message, he knows he is Admin and then who is troll. The Gladmin won't get any troll-messages, so he will never know who he is basically. He will only know he is Glad/Admin. So what I meant was that *if* any of the Glad/Admin gets a Troll-message, he will know that one is a troll.
Oh...I get it now, that makes sense actually.

Still, this strategy wouldn't really work, since if all the admins target themselves, then mafia/trolls will know all the admins from the first day.

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Re: Elements Mafia 39 - by eljoemo https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=54601.msg1139340#msg1139340
« Reply #93 on: June 07, 2014, 01:17:35 pm »
Can Admins target themselves for checking at all? (The Helper can't target self, for example.) If so, they are to do this first and the Hacker should start hacking on the 2nd day. In this case, by the second day All Admins will be able to know whether he or she belongs to the Admin/Gladmin or to the Badmin/Sadmin pair – as it's been written here before.

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...Still, this strategy wouldn't really work, since if all the admins target themselves, then mafia/trolls will know all the admins from the first day. [Edited quote. Strategy meant: the Admin checks self first.]

Wait... aren't Admin results published here only if the Hacker has used his/her ability? If so, noone but themselves will know their own answer.

Besides, does hacking reveal the Hacker him/herself? What happens if the Veteran is trolled and he/she manages to evade it? Will the Veteran and the Trolls be informed about it or not? Does the enhanced voting reveals the role (eg. if the Lurker's vote power is increased to 2)? – Sorry if these questions are lame but, this is the first Mafia game I participate on this forum. (Yes, I've read some of the previous game forums but there are minor differences between the games, as we know.)
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Re: Elements Mafia 39 - by eljoemo https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=54601.msg1139342#msg1139342
« Reply #94 on: June 07, 2014, 02:03:42 pm »
I'm a burd and I have no idea what a RQS is.

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Re: Elements Mafia 39 - by eljoemo https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=54601.msg1139344#msg1139344
« Reply #95 on: June 07, 2014, 02:09:47 pm »
Wait... aren't Admin results published here only if the Hacker has used his/her ability? If so, noone but themselves will know their own answer.
Oooops. I thought that they will be published like in d2d's last mafia...
Now for the voting:

Mort (1) - qwerter
Dm1321 (1) - justaburd
SpikeSpiegel (1) - iancudorinmarian

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