Elements Mafia 39 - by eljoemo

[skyironsword]

We forgot about dawn

Pineapple (2) - Pineapple, Kuroaitou
CrockettRocket (3) - SpikeSpiegel, iancudorinmarian, skyironsword
iancudorinmarian (1) - CrockettRocket
dawntodusk (1) - dawntodusk

[Dm]

Why would a mafia selfvote though? It's pretty dangerous.

Might be trying to play as civvy who is playin on the safe side.

Thus far, many role claims, nothing of major importance. I'll talk more when I get a computer.

[theelkspeaks]

Pineapple (2) - Pineapple, Kuroaitou
CrockettRocket (3) - SpikeSpiegel, iancudorinmarian, skyironsword
iancudorinmarian (2) - CrockettRocket, theelkspeaks
dawntodusk (1) - dawntodusk

I'm of the opinion that Pineapple or d2d is mafia, not sure which, but there's only one role that benefits from selfvote so one of the two is a mafia fake.  Gonna go with a vote on iancu for the moment, since I think Crockett would be playing better than last game (as he is) regardless of alignment, so the change in his play is a poor case on him.

[eljoemo]

Are we allowed to vote and unvote in the same day with it being considered a vote?

Voting and then removing your vote (for whatever reason) is considered a no-vote. Basically, you have to have a standing vote at the end of the day or I count a no-vote.

[Dm]

Some people still haven't sent me their roles. Not much can happen now, sadly..

Namely, Ddevans, Justaburd, Ungaros, and Mathman101.

[dawn to dusk]

I unvoted in hopes that it would count as a vote. So I haven't got a vote on myself. If it doesn't, I will place a vote now then I guess...

More about BBB gambit in my next post

[dawn to dusk]

BBB gambit:

Basically what it is, a player self votes as mafia. People think he is jester and therefore, don't vote him. But in fact, he is mafia... In this mafia, jester would be replaced by a different self vote ability.

Just saying as a person who helps with terms and stuff.

[dawn to dusk]

Now. Onto the pm sending thing. As I see the benefits of it, there are other things that are a ton worse.

Basically, yeah, we have a chance of getting mafia, but we need to look at the numbers. It is currently either 13-5 or 14-4 depending on the number of mafia. Dm reveals, depending on how skilled mafia is, it could be 10-4 or 11-3 (mislynch, NK, lynch mafia, another NK) which is damn good odds. 2 claims gives 7-3 or 8-2. Again, great odds (keep in mind that newbie setups on mafiascum are 7-2 which is very even and mafia often wins)

Now another thing, mafia could easily fake claim hacker or helper. When Dm reveals the doubles, mafia knows exactly who the power roles are, they can kill the helper, and then the hacker and town can do nothing but watch.

Don't want to give out the power roles to town now, do we

Pineapple (2) - Pineapple, Kuroaitou
CrockettRocket (3) - SpikeSpiegel, iancudorinmarian, skyironsword
iancudorinmarian (2) - CrockettRocket, theelkspeaks
RootRanger (1) - dawn to dusk

Root is at least twice as skilled as I am (I played with him as mafia on my first game so I have a bit of experience with him I guess) but he didn't pick up on this fact. Either that, or he knows these odds and keeps it to himself as mafia.

Root, with this experience, would most likely know that newbie players find text walls pretty and follow whoever makes them (see roots plan). I have seen people who turn against these, and even played against a mafia who provided a full, detailed, 7 player list read which diverted attention away from him. If it wasn't twilight (part after the day before the mod posts where people can post) it probably would have given mafia the win. Also note that root wasn't killed last night...

A hunch I guess, but I guess we can work on it.

This isn't a text wall is it? Lolol

[Ungaros]

Pineapple (2) - Pineapple, Kuroaitou
CrockettRocket (4) - SpikeSpiegel, iancudorinmarian, skyironsword, ungaros
iancudorinmarian (2) - CrockettRocket, theelkspeaks
RootRanger (1) - dawn to dusk

I don't want to forget to vote

[Dm]

Please d2d. I would not do something ad stupid as publicly saying all roles and their doubles, it'd ruin our chances.

Mathman stii has not claimed. I've got two ability claims that cross over and several regular member claims. I am on a phone - someone please add my vote on mathman.

[dawn to dusk]

Good.

[dawn to dusk]

Pineapple (2) - Pineapple, Kuroaitou
CrockettRocket (4) - SpikeSpiegel, iancudorinmarian, skyironsword, ungaros
iancudorinmarian (2) - CrockettRocket, theelkspeaks
RootRanger (1) - dawn to dusk
mathman101 (1) - Dm1321