Elements Mafia 38 - by Kuroaitou

[CrockettRocket]

Ok, so the incidents of this mafia have prompted a rules revision. Kuro, D2D and Zawadx have discussed it extensively and come up with the following rules:

*RULES

1.   No posting during the 'Night Phase' whatsoever. Everyone gets '~1' warning per night phase if they mess this up.
2.   Do not post, chat, OR PM ANY revealing information if you have been killed/removed from mafia (except for minor 'BLARGH'/murloc TM death noises). This also means that if you withdraw from mafia, you cannot reveal any information after withdrawing from the game.
3.   All Secondary roles/targeting/actions are to be messaged during the NIGHT phase, unless stated otherwise.
4.   No player may do the 'No-Vote'/AFK for two consecutive days without a viable reason. Holidays, funerals, etc count as viable reasons. Mafia on other sites, just forgetting, etc, do not. Players without viable reasons will be modkilled. Breaking this rule repeatedly may result in a ban from future mafias.
5.   Post in the topic if you want to sign up. No need for any 'role' choosing or whatnot, everything is randomized and assigned.
6.   Do not quote PMs. Ever. Furthermore no one is permitted to declare themselves to be a scum, either publicly or through PMs.
7.   You are allowed to talk in chat about mafia, but please remember general chat rules.
8.   You are not allowed to edit you post. Instead, EBWOP will take effect. This means, to edit your post, post again with the correct fixes. Any posts breaking this rule will result in the post being deleted on sight.
**9.   Any flaming/trolling/cursing will not be tolerated. Appropriate actions will be taken if any of this occurs.
10.   The mod/host has the final say in any dispute. Do not argue with the mod/host. Do not impersonate the mod/host.
*11.   Breaking rules 2, 6, 9 or 10 may result in ban from future mafias or forum games in general.
12.  Officially withdrawing is allowed, but not faking withdrawal.

Zawadx would personally like some feedback on these rules from the participants of this mafia. Do you think these are enough/too much? Any suggestions? This is important, cause these rules will probably be implemented as a standard ruleset which must be included each game.

*Note: Banning from future mafias will be a case by case basis and is entirely in Forum Games Organizer(s) hands.
**Note: Abbreviations of curse words doesn't count. But please do keep it PG-13.

Spoiler for How to play Online mafia:

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Just a slight revision for what we already have down. This seems fair to everyone? I'm not trying to write the rules, please don't react to this in that manner. >.> I'm only trying to help get the rule revisions set and thought a reposting would help.

[theelkspeaks]

Still no change to allow a scum player to claim scum when caught in the interest of creating confusion.  I didn't see any disagreement on that one?

[skyironsword]

EBWOP should only be in effect when it comes to changing votes. I don't see why you would need to in any other situations.

[theelkspeaks]

EBWOP should only be in effect when it comes to changing votes. I don't see why you would need to in any other situations.

It's so that if you get called out for saying something that makes people suspect you of being mafia, you can't go edit it out.

[skyironsword]

It's so that if you get called out for saying something that makes people suspect you of being mafia, you can't go edit it out.

But you're still allowed to remove posts.

[theelkspeaks]

You shouldn't be allowed to remove posts.  If that's not already in the rules, it should be.

[CrockettRocket]

Ok, so the incidents of this mafia have prompted a rules revision. Kuro, D2D and Zawadx have discussed it extensively and come up with the following rules:

*RULES

1.   No posting during the 'Night Phase' whatsoever. Everyone gets '~1' warning per night phase if they mess this up.
2.   Do not post, chat, OR PM ANY revealing information if you have been killed/removed from mafia (except for minor 'BLARGH'/murloc TM death noises). This also means that if you withdraw from mafia, you cannot reveal any information after withdrawing from the game.
3.   All Secondary roles/targeting/actions are to be messaged during the NIGHT phase, unless stated otherwise.
4.   No player may do the 'No-Vote'/AFK for two consecutive days without a viable reason. Holidays, funerals, etc count as viable reasons. Mafia on other sites, just forgetting, etc, do not. Players without viable reasons will be modkilled. Breaking this rule repeatedly may result in a ban from future mafias.
5.   Post in the topic if you want to sign up. No need for any 'role' choosing or whatnot, everything is randomized and assigned.
6.   Do not quote PMs. Ever. Furthermore no one is permitted to declare themselves to be a scum, either publicly or through PMs.
7.   You are allowed to talk in chat about mafia, but please remember general chat rules.
8.   You are not allowed to edit AND/OR remove your post. Instead, EBWOP will take effect. This means, to edit your post, post again with the correct fixes. Any posts breaking this rule will result in the post being deleted on sight.
**9.   Any flaming/trolling/cursing will not be tolerated. Appropriate actions will be taken if any of this occurs.
10.   The mod/host has the final say in any dispute. Do not argue with the mod/host. Do not impersonate the mod/host.
*11.   Breaking rules 2, 6, 9 or 10 may result in ban from future mafias or forum games in general.
12.  Officially withdrawing is allowed, but not faking withdrawal.

Zawadx would personally like some feedback on these rules from the participants of this mafia. Do you think these are enough/too much? Any suggestions? This is important, cause these rules will probably be implemented as a standard ruleset which must be included each game.

*Note: Banning from future mafias will be a case by case basis and is entirely in Forum Games Organizer(s) hands.
**Note: Abbreviations of curse words doesn't count. But please do keep it PG-13.

Spoiler for How to play Online mafia:

EDIT TEXT

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Just a slight revision for what we already have down. This seems fair to everyone? I'm not trying to write the rules, please don't react to this in that manner. >.> I'm only trying to help get the rule revisions set and thought a reposting would help. Added the AND/OR remove (you)r post. (There was no r at the end before :/) This list also has everyones imputs, forum game organizers should feel free to edit and remove this post to get the official rule set for future mafias.

[Zawadx]

Still no change to allow a scum player to claim scum when caught in the interest of creating confusion.  I didn't see any disagreement on that one?

I'd like to make a slight disagreement with Rule 6.  A person should be able to say "Yes, I'm scum, lynch me" (especially if self-hammering), a move which can benefit the mafia (if a member has been figured out and wants to create chaos to help keep their partners hidden).  The anti-healthy gameplay that is generally banned in mafia is claiming to be scum with a specific other player.

This works when the lynch is subject to absolute majority (i.e. a lynch happens if and only if more players are voting on X person than not), as it decreases useful daytime for town. But over here it's pretty useless; see day 3 of mafia 37. Kuro was confirmed as mafia, so everyone voted on him, including Kuro. No confusion whatsoever. 

Sorry you missed it.

EBWOP should only be in effect when it comes to changing votes. I don't see why you would need to in any other situations.

Also, it can help us track an incident of rule-breaking more easily. EBWOP can go a long way to prevent dramaz.

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12.  Officially withdrawing is allowed, but not faking withdrawal.
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I really appreciate your input here. But is this rule really needed? I mean since it isn't disallowed one can easily post in the thread with a withdrawal.

I'll edit rule 4 to include this:

4.   No player may do the 'No-Vote'/AFK for two consecutive days without a viable reason. Holidays, funerals, etc count as viable reasons. Mafia on other sites, just forgetting, etc, do not. If you want to withdraw, post in this thread; but do NOT reveal any secret information. Players without viable reasons will be modkilled. Breaking this rule repeatedly may result in a ban from future mafias.

[Zawadx]

*RULES

1.   No posting during the 'Night Phase' whatsoever. Everyone gets '~1' warning per night phase if they mess this up.
2.   Do not post, chat, OR PM ANY revealing information if you have been killed/removed from mafia (except for minor 'BLARGH'/murloc TM death noises). This also means that if you withdraw from mafia, you cannot reveal any information after withdrawing from the game.
3.   All Secondary roles/targeting/actions are to be messaged during the NIGHT phase, unless stated otherwise.
4.   No player may do the 'No-Vote'/AFK for two consecutive days without a viable reason. Holidays, funerals, etc count as viable reasons. Mafia on other sites, just forgetting, etc, do not. If you wish to withdraw, post in this thread; but do NOT reveal any secret information. Players without viable reasons will be modkilled. Breaking this rule repeatedly may result in a ban from future mafias.
5.   Post in the topic if you want to sign up. No need for any 'role' choosing or whatnot, everything is randomized and assigned.
6.   Do not quote PMs. Ever. Furthermore no one is permitted to declare themselves to be a scum, either publicly or through PMs.
7.   You are allowed to talk in chat about mafia, but please remember general chat rules.
8.   You are not allowed to edit AND/OR remove your post. Instead, EBWOP will take effect. This means, to edit your post, post again with the correct fixes. Any posts breaking this rule will result in the post being deleted on sight.
9.   Any flaming/trolling/cursing will not be tolerated. Appropriate actions will be taken if any of this occurs.*
10.   The mod/host has the final say in any dispute. Do not argue with the mod/host. Do not impersonate the mod/host.
11.   Breaking rules 2, 6, 9 or 10 may result in ban from future mafias or forum games in general.**

* Abbreviations of curse words doesn't count. But please do keep it PG-13.
** Banning from future mafias will be on a case by case basis and is entirely in the Forum Games Organizer(s) hands.

Spoiler for How to play Elements Mafia:

Mafia is generally played between two teams: Civilians and Mafia. The civilians are the main group, and they enjoy the minor advantage of being a majority. Every day, the civilians post in the thread to discuss who is likely to be mafia, and place a vote on who they think is being scummy (a.k.a. mafia-like or anti-civilian). One thing to note is that your Voting Total signifies the total of votes placed on you, and Voting Power stands for how many votes you actually place on someone when you vote on them (everyone has a standard Voting Power of 1). At the end of the day the host tallies up all the votes and considers all skills affecting the voting; the person with the most votes on them is killed (termed as lynching), and all their info is revealed. Then Night falls, and NO ONE posts in the thread.

That’s when the mafia come in. The Mafia are a minority of players who know each other’s identity. Their job is to eliminate all the other players using deception and nightkills. They interact with the town during the day, trying to mislead them away from lynching any mafia members. And when night falls, Mafia discusses in secret and chooses a person to kill (termed as nightkill). Also during the night the civilians use their skills. Some of the noteworthy skills include the cop/seer, who investigate other players to find their allegiance, and the doctor (usually called Archangel here) who can protect a specific player from any nightkills for that night.

Does the stupid game ever end, you ask? Well contrary to popular belief, it does. The Civilians win when whenever they manage to lynch all the Mafia members. And Mafia wins when their combined Voting Power is enough to control the vote entirely, i.e. if all Mafia members vote on the same Civilian and all Civilians vote on a Mafia ember, the civilian will be lynched.

Final ruleset, with Intro to Mafia. Looks good? (any mafia with exceptions to that intro i.e. Third Alliance etc. will have to mention it specially after the rules.)

[CrockettRocket]

How that's worded for rule 4 then is if you withdraw without viable reason you might get banned from future mafias. I definitly don't agree with that punishment.

[DoubleCapitals]

How that's worded for rule 4 then is if you withdraw without viable reason you might get banned from future mafias. I definitly don't agree with that punishment.

I beg to differ; Given the current mafia meta, especially since lurking is not too frowned upon here, a simple vote or two each turn shouldn't be too much effort, does it?

[CrockettRocket]

A vote or two changes the game. Someone who doesn't want anything to do with the game anymore shouldn't be forced to influence the game. But of course you can differ, you don't need to be for it. All conversation is welcome.