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Re: Elements Mafia 38 - by Kuroaitou https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=54369.msg1135565#msg1135565
« Reply #144 on: May 09, 2014, 01:32:15 am »
My method for confirming people:
This is very delicate and is more so a "self judgement" decision. We see eye to eye and with me studying psychology I pick up on the little things people say.

Your opening lines "Hello, let's talk Mafia." "I promise to be 100% honest with you, but reserve the right to not answer certain questions. Those questions involve asking about my teammate's and their roles, along with how I confirmed them. The only catch after that, is, you've got to tell me you're role."
This of course means they can ask you your role. Because I'm our decoy, I can answer this honestly. Just confirm theirs no mochi and you can use thar as your excuse day in and night out. XD.

Mafia already know who's not mafia so that means they're trying to kill them reguardless of them being on food or civvie. So if someone asks you "What's your role" that's a good sign. It show's they want to know, mafia don't care.

Ask yourself between every question, is that something the mafia would like to know, or more so a civilian? This usually hints at what their motives are. If you're unclear, ask them how they on their own accord plan on voting next and why. Then welcome to the presumed civilians! Or, something doesn't seem right. Or, something seems bad, welcome to the presumed Mafia who now thinks they know my role and have got off scotch free.

You will clearly see how a person votes next round to see if their mafia or not. Repeated offences (Aka always voting for confirmed, maybe presumed based on your sense of jugement of the person, can lead to a presumed mafia being confirmed.) It will take around 5 rounds to confirm mafia probably, but to get an idea it won't and thus I've layed the ground work for you.

Also brainstorm "Why would anyone if their mafia, choose to be the role they said they were?" "What mafia role is closest to the role the person just told me?"

If it's close then that's an alarm. It would thus allow them to act like a civilian pretty close to acting like a mafia at the same time while giving to both roles at the same time. Any foolish mafia wants this exact thing. It could be smart, but I call it foolish cause it makes people who feel they have he upper hand pretty evident on their true self. That's why you let them ask you questions. Mafia will be stupid as human nature will naturally allow them to not think of the counter to the counter to the counter. Maybe think 2 steps but not 3 in most cases. Fippe would be a dangerous person, in interrogation it was clear he could see very closely to 3 steps, maybe even the whole 3 steps. :P Watch out for him, but I trust him.

If it's close that's an alarm. How do we deal with anything alarming? Hello salvager, mind flayer, and psion.

^This was my PM to Nae about how to use the confirmation method. I edited out the last part because it's unimportant. To sum up the last part it was... just plans on how to kill the mafia once you know what "claimed role" people would use. It was a 3 step system. 1st step: find out the role the person claimed he was. This was known as "claimed ____" then in opinion also put "possible mafia" or "possible civilian" our actions on what to do next used the 2nd bit of information their. The 2nd information basically tells us "suspects." We then had them do a task for us. After that we labeled them "presumed civilian." We then either had them do 1 more task that would "confirm" them or had them targeted by an ability. Using one line of logic, one that seemed far fetched we would take it and assume it to be true, then if we confirmed enough of the people in that single line of logic we labeled all the people involved confirmed civilians. We kept everyone apart and listened to their stories, if they matched that's how they got put into the single line of logic. Zawadx's death allowed for such a string. With one more requirement: The amount of people in a single string of logic and assumptions had to be greater then the possible number of mafia.

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Re: Elements Mafia 38 - by Kuroaitou https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=54369.msg1135571#msg1135571
« Reply #145 on: May 09, 2014, 05:09:34 am »
I formally withdraw from mafia.
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Re: Elements Mafia 38 - by Kuroaitou https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=54369.msg1135572#msg1135572
« Reply #146 on: May 09, 2014, 05:54:33 am »
CrockettRockett (2) - Dm1321, SpikeSpiegel
Dawn to Dusk (2) - CrockettRockett, Iancudorinmarian.
Iancudorinmarian (1) - dawn to dusk

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Re: Elements Mafia 38 - by Kuroaitou https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=54369.msg1135573#msg1135573
« Reply #147 on: May 09, 2014, 05:55:21 am »
CrockettRockett (2) - Dm1321, SpikeSpiegel
Dawn to Dusk (2) - CrockettRockett, Iancudorinmarian.


there we go

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Re: Elements Mafia 38 - by Kuroaitou https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=54369.msg1135575#msg1135575
« Reply #148 on: May 09, 2014, 06:17:40 am »
Could someone please clarify how we know crocketrocket is a confirmed civvie? And if he is a confirmed civvie, why are you voting for him? Just because his strategy's weird, doesn't mean we can't kill a confirmed civ. And if he isn't, why would he threaten to kill anyone who didn't send him their role? (I'm on my phone so can't check this out properly.) also, mafia may have a reason to find out your role - knowing which civs have a role worth lynching for one, so i'd suggest you don't take that as
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Re: Elements Mafia 38 - by Kuroaitou https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=54369.msg1135576#msg1135576
« Reply #149 on: May 09, 2014, 06:21:09 am »
a main reason to trust someone. i'll vote when back on my computer because i can't quote no this. (sorry for double post - my phone cut my post short)
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Re: Elements Mafia 38 - by Kuroaitou https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=54369.msg1135577#msg1135577
« Reply #150 on: May 09, 2014, 06:26:59 am »
I don't understand how to play the game ;D

What am I supposed to be doing?
This might be a good read for you.

Also, since we have no info yet, let's keep things even.

Zawadx (3) - justaburd, iancudorinmarian, Fippe94
eljoemo (3) - Ungaros, Zawadx, Mort
skyironsword (1) - SpikeSpiegel

When someone does get some info and/or convincing arguments, I'd be happy to (re)move my vote.
We need the salvager/psion to investigate or else we'll just run in circles. (You can investigate me if you don't believe I'm a civilian) We have to find someone with 5 hp, but also we'll need to "hide" those "detectives". I suggest the psion to keep low until we can find the otyugh. (don't tell who's who or we might lose the psion, just quietly investigate everyday and make a group of civvies that you know for sure they are civvies, again, you can investigate me if you really want to, the next target should be d2d, he seems suspicious). Anyway, that's the strategy I thought we might use.

please provide a full read on me before you try to get everyone on a bandwagon plz

so you are trying to out me as scum as i am 'suspicious'. i would like to know what suspicious things i have done. the main things i have done is start up the RQS. i havent been talking too much outside this mafia.

starting to get a weak town on ian. mainly cos he is trying to kill me while i am scumhunting.

Could someone please clarify how we know crocketrocket is a confirmed civvie? And if he is a confirmed civvie, why are you voting for him? Just because his strategy's weird, doesn't mean we can't kill a confirmed civ. And if he isn't, why would he threaten to kill anyone who didn't send him their role? (I'm on my phone so can't check this out properly.) also, mafia may have a reason to find out your role - knowing which civs have a role worth lynching for one, so i'd suggest you don't take that as

CR is claiming pharaoh. he is doing some shmancy stuff that we cant confirm, nor deny, as he may just be shouting roles and giving the mafia some town roles. i havent voted for him yet, but if i did, it would be to save my own butt. he has quit though so the votes are redundant. as for the third, i was wondering the same thing

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Re: Elements Mafia 38 - by Kuroaitou https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=54369.msg1135578#msg1135578
« Reply #151 on: May 09, 2014, 06:31:19 am »
reading through day 1 and this little pseudo reaction test may have paid off

Calling it now, ung, Ian and justa are mafia

They didn't vote justa

ian votes, i post this, little after, he calls me scum cos i am suspicious. that is incredibly suspicious to me

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Re: Elements Mafia 38 - by Kuroaitou https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=54369.msg1135579#msg1135579
« Reply #152 on: May 09, 2014, 07:00:45 am »
looking at day 1 though, why did dm vote me? if it was random, there were better choices. dm is too good a player to be mindlessly following ian. if ian is mafia, i am mostly sure dm is too.

dm also didnt properly answer the RQS. maybe trying to avoid 1 question? the mafia/civvy question? it would be awkward to answer if he is mafia. as well as a couple other questions.

this is why RQS is better than RVS

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Re: Elements Mafia 38 - by Kuroaitou https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=54369.msg1135583#msg1135583
« Reply #153 on: May 09, 2014, 07:48:58 am »
hey kuro, can we have an extension plz? given the whole... discussions going on

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Re: Elements Mafia 38 - by Kuroaitou https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=54369.msg1135590#msg1135590
« Reply #154 on: May 09, 2014, 09:57:53 am »

Before editing (or not) my vote, i'd like to know by Kuro is Crocket is alive or not, since first he posted he left and then he posted to be back...

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Re: Elements Mafia 38 - by Kuroaitou https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=54369.msg1135593#msg1135593
« Reply #155 on: May 09, 2014, 10:22:45 am »
I am withdrawing from mafia.

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« Last Edit: May 10, 2014, 04:24:10 am by Kuroaitou »
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