Elements Mafia 38 - by Kuroaitou

[iancudorinmarian]

So come to me and claim you're a role, or be assumed mafia and die. Last night with the amount of confirms I have now is enough to control the votes. I also already have the 2 growthers lava golem and forest spirit, and thus them two+2 could control the vote. Dm's futile plan to try and get rid of me never really did have a chance. 

I'll look the other way Dm because I know you're civilian, and have 100% hard proof. My alliance -can- and -will- control the vote if it appears I'll be voted out. Thus only vote on me if you're mafia or Dm. XD.

BrandenC6 is a Pharaoh. Rather obvious from his post a while back.

He might not really be pharaoh, he can be mafia as well. The scarab could tell the others what player he targeted and could pretend he's a pharaoh.

Also, Branden, you can't possibly expect everyone to send you their role. If somehow the mafia finds out what role isn't in the game (which is very likely since they already know pretty much all of our potential abilities) then the civilians lost. If even one mafia member gets to infiltrate, the game is over. Mafia won. I don't think that's a really good strategy. I already told you my role though, but if I wouldn't have done it before, I wouldn't have done it now either. Telling someone "Give me your role or you're mafia" is kind of like saying to a kid "do that for me or I will tell your mother what you did". Just think about it.

[SpikeSpiegel]

CrocketRockett (2) - Dm1321, SpikeSpiegel
dawn to dusk (1) - iancudorinmarian

My alliance -can- and -will- control the vote

And when the alliance became your and you became the leader of civilians? And above all, when you obtained the power to send me PM's like
 

I want you three to vote for...

??? You dare to give me orders? Child, please...

This kind of behavior really pisses me off. I totally agree with Dm. Moreover, ALL Crocket's strategy is based on: "He's a civilian, i'm sure, i've asked him". Well, nice logic. To this game, imho, counterproductive.

And above all Branden, IO STAVO COR LIBANESE

[CrockettRocket]

Pffft. Why you guys do this to me. Will you have any remorse if you somehow win the vote and I come up as Pharaoh? Why not try to confirm my role?

I sent you that PM because that's what I personally wanted to figure out someone else's role. xD And that was to benefit the civilians. Anyway I'll be dead after this morning or this night. Or the mafia will think me so stupid for this and not lynch me. That'd be cool. In case that happens I'll set up measures. My own psion and mindflayer shall target me tonight and remove all doubt. But be warned psion, scarab did target you and the mafia will kill either me or you because were both important to the civilian alliance. My confirmation method is much more then that spike, so much more. I do not allow people to know my allies or their roles or my confirmation method in case mafia tell eachother to rig it. With them intentfully trying to rig it they could probably sneak by 2 days and 2 nights without being exposed. Anyway, ian I know that, but it was in hopes. I had nothing to lose from saying it and if it worked it would have guaranteed a win for the civilians. The reward outweighs the null punishment so much because immah die anyway wether it be by the civilians or by mafia that their's no real reason not to say it.

We'll have to control the vote.

CrockettRockett (2)-Dm1321, SpikeSpiegel
Dawn to Dusk (2)CrockettRockett, Iancudorinmarian.

Why should civilians waste their votes to kill me when they could be guessing at an unknown person and have a good chance of killing a mafia member? It's likely dawn is mafia, keep that in mind everyone in the next coming rounds.

[SpikeSpiegel]

My confirmation method is much more then that spike, so much more.

How? During Day 1 (O-N-E) you already set up a list of (according to you) confirmed roles. Now, confirmed by...what? You just asked to people their roles, in a game where the clue is:

- to understand players roles by their game attitude
- to use our skills to discover others roles

Let's make an extreme example: even if your role would have an active skill like "target a player to know his role", after the first day phase, you'd know for sure only two roles: your and the one you've targeted.

To base the strategy on what others say is pretty useless, dumb and totally self-defeating, and it's what mafia team hopes.

Of course, not flame intended. It's just a game, but at least let's play it smartly...

[CrockettRocket]

Well, not much else to say. @Mafia, plz Pm the mafia list in death because elite skelly is working with you now and my role will be revealed to not be ghost of the past. This has been a very interesting game.

Spike, just because you don't understand me doesn't mean I'm wrong. XD. Zawadx's death also tells you 4 ppl's roles when they're compliant and proove themselves like they did. Lmao. Thatd would be at least 6 ppl in your example. Id know myself, those 4 that prooved themselves, and the person I targeted. JUST BECAUSE I DONT PROVE THEM DOESNT MEAN THEY CANT PROVE THEMSELVES.

[SpikeSpiegel]

Well, not much else to say. @Mafia, plz Pm the mafia list in death because elite skelly is working with you now and my role will be revealed to not be ghost of the past. This has been a very interesting game.

Spike, just because you don't understand me doesn't mean I'm wrong. XD. Zawadx's death also tells you 4 ppl's roles when they're compliant and proove themselves like they did. Lmao. Thatd would be at least 6 ppl in your example. Id know myself, those 4 that prooved themselves, and the person I targeted. JUST BECAUSE I DONT PROVE THEM DOESNT MEAN THEY CANT PROVE THEMSELVES.

Who voted on Zawadx proves what? Since mafia exists, the first day voting is totally random. To begin to draw conclusions we need some more informations, imho.

And the sentence

Spike, just because you don't understand me doesn't mean I'm wrong. XD.

it's totally...meh...

[Dm]

Branden, you edited your post in last page . Tha. Is against the rules ; do you have anything to hide?

You're a liar. You asked the psion to reveal himself but you claimed to have him investigate me in another post . If he investigated me and you knew my role, why did you still want to kill me? The PM wwas sent after the day started .

I'm on my puone so I'm not able to write well , but I'll talk again when I get my computer - in lenght . All my arguments are logical and can be backed up, but you only have mistakes and fallacies.

[Dm]

You say your method is so much more but still thoughtI was mafia and tried to kill me . Nice 'method', huh ?

Also , I know your allies through actually confirmed civilians. Don't say you don 't reveal your allies if you don't want Me to name all of them in this day.
You control nothing.

[theelkspeaks]

Are we even sure that CR is really Pharaoh? We know he's claiming to be Pharaoh, but it could just as easily be a daring mafia in disguise.  I don't know if mods on this site give "safeclaims" (a list of a couple roles guaranteed not to actually appear in game) to the mafia, but I wouldn't be surprised to see him as a Mafia member with a Pharaoh safeclaim.

[CrockettRocket]

Oh swell! My method for comfiriming you didnt work as fast as the others cause you wernt as compliant in telling me a claimed role for me to have you either prove your that role or have one of the identifiers confirm your role. No, instead I had to venture as to what your role could be. Finally that was revealed and then last night I confirmed you using flayer and psion. I have no beef with you Dm, but how can civies trust you? You stated earlier you pledge yourself to the mafia.

[CrockettRocket]

No they don't give safe claims. Dont need my word for that either. 

[russianspy1234]

With another person absolutely confirming me to be civilian and part of a confirmed civilian alliance if you don't come to me you're basically telling me your mafia! Lol.

That assumes we believe you two.  And that you'd run the alliance competently.  I'm not privy to your PM conversation, so all I have to go on is your post claiming to know who the Pharaoh targetted, and Dm's post.  So far I have little (but not 0) evidence either way.  Claiming roles in private is a poor idea because people cannot publicly challenge.