Elements Mafia 21 - Hosted by majofa

[TStar]

Aren't there 2 tradesman?

[jippy99]

The likeliness that both tradesman are FGs is highly doubtful.  I just hope that the civvy one is smart and active enough to trade quietly.

[918273645]

Now that I think about it, aren't there 2 Gamblers too?

[Vinvick3714]

Nepycros - 1 (RootRanger)
Jaymanfu - 3 (calindu221, ddevans96, Legit)
ZergKing - 3 (Nepycros, Godsped, TStar)
Legit - 15 (Shantu, jippy99, Jaymanfu, ZergKing, Seraph, 1world24, ShiningSword, TheForbiddenOracle, Wardead, 918273645, 7_Deadly_Sins, Malebolgia,QuantumT, blazken, vinvick3714)
TStar - 1 (korugar)

[nilsieboy]

someone save me please, i'm a civy gambler and the fgs know it.
i got contacted by the prec this round and he warned me and i feared this from day #1 because the fgs don't like gamblers, everyone knows .
if someone can help me, contact me please.

[jippy99]

Ok, so I was a tradesman and I traded Zerg to get his gambler.  Someone just took it from me.  The only people who knew I took it were Kourgar, Zerg, and TStar.  One of them is most likely an FG.  I say we lynch one of them them.
Nepycros - 1 (RootRanger)
Jaymanfu - 3 (calindu221, ddevans96, Legit)
ZergKing - 3 (Nepycros, Godsped, TStar)
Legit - 14 (Shantu, Jaymanfu, ZergKing, Seraph, 1world24, ShiningSword, TheForbiddenOracle, Wardead, 918273645, 7_Deadly_Sins, Malebolgia,QuantumT, blazken, vinvick3714)
TStar - 2 (korugar, jippy99)

[Korugar]

Well, I can confirm that jippy is telling the truth, at least it matches the conversation I had with him earlier. I know it wasn't me, and I already think TStar is acting slightly different from normal, so...yeah. I'm already voting for him, so I can't make his vote count grow, though I'd ask that those voting for Legit change to him.

[TStar]

Check my voting record then.  Who was one of the first to vote for patch?  Who broke the tie between jay and Spike?  Yep, I'm definitely acting suspicious.  Oddly enough the conversation I had with jippy he told me that if anything happened to him that I should lynch you next round, and he also said nilsie probably knew about the trade as well so I'm not sure why jippy went and left that little tidbit out.  I'll go link the posts in a second but if you wanna call me suspicious for voting on 2 FGs and one guy who outed himself (didn't realize it was his first time for some reason I thought he'd done this before) then I'm not sure what your angle is.  I'd also like to point out that jippy came to me and told me all this stuff without any prompting whatsoever.  I never whispered him, I never PM'd him, I never asked him to tell me his roles he just decided to do all that on his own.  Really right now I feel like I'm being set up for some reason to try and save Legit.

[TStar]

Day 1: http://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php/topic,27820.msg380449#msg380449
* Broke the 3-way tie, which I'd like to point out came before nilsieboy (gambler) voted so I wasn't following a bandwagon.  patch would up dead as a FG.

Day 2: http://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php/topic,27820.msg381655#msg381655
* Broke the tie between jaymanfu and SpikeSpiegel in a vote that Spike ultimately lost, yet another FG dead

Voting twice on FGs, ya maybe I'm lucky but especially in the case of Spike that vote was close and changing my vote for all I know coulda have saved him.  I don't see why I'd break two ties on other FGs by voting for them if I was also one.  I guess none of that counts for anything simply because I voted for someone who I felt made a big mistake and who had gambler taken from him already.

On that note, if I wanted to arrange to have gambler taken why the heck would I do all this to do it?  I simply would have told whatever tradesman I knew to take it from Zerg King in the first place instead of posting and asking someone to do it.  How in the world would I know that jippy would take it and approach me and reveal that information to me unsolicited?  Hell, if I was a FG I could simply have jippy night killed.  Me somehow arranging for gambler to be stolen from him makes no sense whatsoever since if I was a tradesman or had one under my control I could have done all that in the first place without all this crazy steps and blind luck required to do it this way.  Sheesh jippy, next time do me a favor and talk to me before you toss me under the bus like that because whoever put that crazy scheme into your head either has an agenda they are using you to promote or are just way too paranoid and not thinking straight.  Have you ever even considered that Zerg King might have traded to get it back from you?

[jippy99]

I told both of you the lynch the other if anything happened to me because you were the only ones who knew.  Your reasoning does make a point, so I don't think it was you.  That leaves Zerg and Korugar.  Now if Zerg was an FG, there would be no reason for him to just give up his gambler even if it meant saving himself.  I also don't see why he would want it back, seeing that he was already known as one.  Unless, he is an FG and there plan was to save him and keep the gambler, which actually makes the most sense.
Nepycros - 1 (RootRanger)
Jaymanfu - 3 (calindu221, ddevans96, Legit)
ZergKing - 4 (Nepycros, Godsped, TStar, jippy99)
Legit - 14 (Shantu, Jaymanfu, ZergKing, Seraph, 1world24, ShiningSword, TheForbiddenOracle, Wardead, 918273645, 7_Deadly_Sins, Malebolgia,QuantumT, blazken, vinvick3714)
TStar - 1 (korugar)

[ddevans96]

I'll vouch for Zerg's innocence right now, in case he actually is night-killed tonight.

[jippy99]

If they are innocent, don't go lynching me.  I just looked at the people that knew what I had and took an educated guess that one of them was an FG. Btw, if anyone wants a trade, ask me.