Elements Mafia 20 - Hosted by RavingRabbid

[Demagog]

So can anyone say why these two are the candidates? Or where they both picked out of a hat?

Also, I'm probably the FG target tonight, so they can let their shrieker burrow.

[gavsword]

Shiningsword

LOL at the weapons. A sniper as first choice, and a lava golem as second(that means we are looking for a rainbow-ish guy, but the lava must have been borrowed from hermes).
I hope the ''Sniper'' was an Owls eye, or the elements relation just got a little torn apart.

Legit pretty much teased them(saying you have information is a good way of teasing a not too smart FG) last round, i bet he knew that he wasnt going to last a lot.

No, this doesn't mean that either Korugar or Majofa are confirmed civs, and this line does not mean they're both FGs. They were just picked because in my list they were next to Legit.

The first line means that one of them is an FG, i speculate(otherwise he wouldnt put anything like this, i think, considering most people know that this kind of story involvement doesnt mean anything).
Now, who wants to guess which one?

OK, I'll guess one.
Shiningsword - 1 (Gavsword)
You've played enough mafia's to know the story means nothing.

Alien

T, was that a random vote or do you have reasoning behind it?  Oh, and:
Shiningsword - 14 (Gavsword, RootRanger, ddevans96, Shantu, vinvick3714, Nepycros, an alien, patchx94, EvaRia, Onizuka, TheForbiddenOracle, jippy99)
an alien - 1 (TStar)

No reason in particular really.  I have no proof of anything or solid evidence.  He's just too inconsistent for me, and whether that makes him a Civilian or FG I'd rather not have someone I don't feel can be dependable around any longer than possible.  My reasons for feeling this way:

Post 1 (http://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php/topic,26590.msg364254#msg364254)
* Joins the 1world bandwagon.  Nothing wrong with that really and so far bandwagoning seems the norm.
Post 2 (http://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php/topic,26590.msg364416#msg364416)
* Switches his vote to 918273645 for no reason I can see other than Legit posting that 1world is innocent.  While that was indeed true, it concerns me that he would so quickly trust someone elses unconfirmed statement.  It's doubly odd that he not only switched his vote, but switched it to the player with the 2nd highest vote total at the time almost like he was trying to save 1world. (I'm sorry if that's considered metagaming and I'll stop if it is still not 100% clear on what is or isn't).
Post 3 (http://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php/topic,26590.msg365339#msg365339)
* Round 2 he hops on the bandwagon again.  Again nothing really wrong with that.
Post 4 (http://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php/topic,26590.msg365561#msg365561)
* Basically tells SS that early on lynching random people is fine and that SS has no proof of his claims so why would anyone listen to him.

So in Round 1, Legit's unconfirmed claim that 1world was innocent was proof enough for him to change his vote but now in Round 2 when SS makes unconfirmed claims he comes out and says that's not enough for people to listen to?  I don't know, it just seems way too inconsistent to me and I think anyone who is that easily swayed in one round and then inconsistent in the next is just too dangerous to have as an ally.

Again, I have NO proof at all that he is either a Civilian or False God.  I'm just voting for someone who I think would be a weak link as an ally.  I'm probably reading way too much into this and I don't really expect anyone else to believe me or trust me or vote for anyone based on my observations, nor am I asking anyone to.

Shiningsword - 8 (RootRanger, Shantu, vinvick3714, Nepycros, an alien, patchx94, EvaRia, jippy99)
an alien - 7 (TStar, Genuinous, nilsieboy, ddevans96, Onizuka, TheForbiddenOracle, Gavsword)

Again, my vote for shining was just because he should know better. TStar presents better evidence then mine against alien. Also it feels like one new player is ALWAYS mafia.

[majofa]

Shiningsword - 8 (RootRanger, Shantu, vinvick3714, an alien, patchx94, EvaRia, jippy99, Jaymanfu)
an alien - 11 (TStar, Genuinous, nilsieboy, ddevans96, Onizuka, TheForbiddenOracle, Gavsword, Nepycros, Korugar, shiningsword, Wardead)
gavsword - 1 (majofa)

[ddevans96]

Even if the other shrieker did burrow, I doubt you would be told each other's primary roles. So it really doesn't matter if the other shrieker burrows or not.

[Shantu]

Shrieker - Can burrow, halving his vote power. When burrowed, it can't be targeted by secondary abilities. This ability is used by PMing the host. Can see the identity of other burrowed players.

Identity pretty much means the primary role too.

[ddevans96]

Yes, it says identity - in other words, probably usernames. It says nothing about the primary role, and it seems really strange that burrowing would reveal your primary role.

I suggest, if Dema really is the shrieker, that he asks Raving to clarify this, if he hasn't asked already.

[Shantu]

Oracle: The "seer." This player may discover the identity of a player every other round.

Comparing the two, I believe burrow works like the Seer too.

[ddevans96]

But that makes no sense. All it does is discourage people from burrowing.

Now that Dema has called out the other shrieker, I doubt that person would burrow now without being 100% sure, at the risk of falling under suspicion.

[Shantu]

If I weren't a Seer or a Doctor (or a FG), I would gladly burrow in hope of gaining an ally.

[Genuinous]

But that makes no sense. All it does is discourage people from burrowing.

Now that Dema has called out the other shrieker, I doubt that person would burrow now without being 100% sure, at the risk of falling under suspicion.

It's only bad if you're a FG. If you're a civy it's great. And clearly we don't want FGs to be protected

[ShiningSword]

So we could say that the last shrieker is either a FG or a power role(so, he either is an FG, which would mean we should lynch him, or he is a civy, which means that he will be FG killed soon if he shared his role, as FG's might believe he is powerful).

The time for burrowing for a civy would be about right now, if somebody knows the shriekers identity(so he can prove his innocence and avoid getting lynched while also keeping his identity hidden. Once a person decides to say the shrieker's identity, if they know it, he will be in serious danger).

[Demagog]

Either way, I'm painting a target on my back for the FG's to waste a lynch on. Simply by revealing myself as a shrieker, I nearly clear my name. The only scenarios for doing so are if I am either a civilian looking to find an ally, or I'm an FG, in which case I wouldn't be a shrieker unless another FG were one. Still, the chance of a mutation giving a civilian the shrieker ability is too great for FG's to use the ability. So, while not entirely clear, I am at the very least an unlikely suspect.

I wouldn't send me roles or anything just yet, but keep me in mind.

Again, just doing this to protect more important roles.