Elements Mafia 20 - Hosted by RavingRabbid

[RagingAlien]

Shining, tell us the one other thing we could currently do OTHER than random lynching, please. Other than listening to your arguments (which you had said that also had no proof of).

[Korugar]

Shiningsword - 13 (Gavsword, RootRanger, ddevans96, Shantu, vinvick3714, Nepycros, an alien, patchx94, EvaRia, Onizuka, Jaymanfu, TheForbiddenOracle, Korugar)

Random bandwagoning, how fun....I hope you get something soon, Seer!

[ShiningSword]

Shining, tell us the one other thing we could currently do OTHER than random lynching, please. Other than listening to your arguments (which you had said that also had no proof of).

Wait for gamblers to find somebody, make an organised disposal starting from less useful roles, try to think about something(whats the difference between rolling a dice between all players and trying to guess out of a pool of player that was limited my chance anyway?).
I tried to give an idea, start up the round, and now im getting killed because of that.
If anybody else would have tried to do anything besides rolling a dice, would you kill him?
Maybe yes, maybe not.
But, if FG's saw one of their own is 50/50 to get killed, they would all jump on the guy that almost blew their cover before anybody agrees with him, dont you think so?
If im wrong kill me, im just a chimera anyway, i wont be a major loss to the civys.

[Demagog]

Decent chance an FG is a shrieker. I am also one and no one else has burrowed. Find a shrieker and we probably find an FG.

[Shantu]

Or they could have a power role. I can imagine a Seer wouldn't want to burrow because of the possibility of a shrieker FG.

[TStar]

Shiningsword - 11 (Gavsword, RootRanger, ddevans96, Shantu, vinvick3714, Nepycros, an alien, patchx94, EvaRia, Onizuka, TheForbiddenOracle)
an alien - 1 (TStar)

[jippy99]

T, was that a random vote or do you have reasoning behind it?  Oh, and:
Shiningsword - 14 (Gavsword, RootRanger, ddevans96, Shantu, vinvick3714, Nepycros, an alien, patchx94, EvaRia, Onizuka, TheForbiddenOracle, jippy99)
an alien - 1 (TStar)

[TStar]

T, was that a random vote or do you have reasoning behind it?  Oh, and:
Shiningsword - 14 (Gavsword, RootRanger, ddevans96, Shantu, vinvick3714, Nepycros, an alien, patchx94, EvaRia, Onizuka, TheForbiddenOracle, jippy99)
an alien - 1 (TStar)

No reason in particular really.  I have no proof of anything or solid evidence.  He's just too inconsistent for me, and whether that makes him a Civilian or FG I'd rather not have someone I don't feel can be dependable around any longer than possible.  My reasons for feeling this way:

Post 1 (http://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php/topic,26590.msg364254#msg364254)
* Joins the 1world bandwagon.  Nothing wrong with that really and so far bandwagoning seems the norm.
Post 2 (http://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php/topic,26590.msg364416#msg364416)
* Switches his vote to 918273645 for no reason I can see other than Legit posting that 1world is innocent.  While that was indeed true, it concerns me that he would so quickly trust someone elses unconfirmed statement.  It's doubly odd that he not only switched his vote, but switched it to the player with the 2nd highest vote total at the time almost like he was trying to save 1world. (I'm sorry if that's considered metagaming and I'll stop if it is still not 100% clear on what is or isn't).
Post 3 (http://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php/topic,26590.msg365339#msg365339)
* Round 2 he hops on the bandwagon again.  Again nothing really wrong with that.
Post 4 (http://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php/topic,26590.msg365561#msg365561)
* Basically tells SS that early on lynching random people is fine and that SS has no proof of his claims so why would anyone listen to him.

So in Round 1, Legit's unconfirmed claim that 1world was innocent was proof enough for him to change his vote but now in Round 2 when SS makes unconfirmed claims he comes out and says that's not enough for people to listen to?  I don't know, it just seems way too inconsistent to me and I think anyone who is that easily swayed in one round and then inconsistent in the next is just too dangerous to have as an ally.

Again, I have NO proof at all that he is either a Civilian or False God.  I'm just voting for someone who I think would be a weak link as an ally.  I'm probably reading way too much into this and I don't really expect anyone else to believe me or trust me or vote for anyone based on my observations, nor am I asking anyone to.

[Genuinous]

Shiningsword - 14 (Gavsword, RootRanger, ddevans96, Shantu, vinvick3714, Nepycros, an alien, patchx94, EvaRia, Onizuka, TheForbiddenOracle, jippy99)
an alien - 2 (TStar, Genuinous)

That reasoning makes sense. The chances are (with no proof for either an alien of SS) the same. And while SS is a random bandwagon, TStar's argument has clear points.
weak ally > random bandwagon

[nilsieboy]

Shiningsword - 14 (Gavsword, RootRanger, ddevans96, Shantu, vinvick3714, Nepycros, an alien, patchx94, EvaRia, Onizuka, TheForbiddenOracle, jippy99)
an alien - 3 (TStar, Genuinous, nilsieboy)
i think tstar had a good point there, same as genuinous.
this makes more sense then the random ss vote.

[ddevans96]

Shiningsword - 11 (Gavsword, RootRanger, Shantu, vinvick3714, Nepycros, an alien, patchx94, EvaRia, Onizuka, TheForbiddenOracle, jippy99)
an alien - 4 (TStar, Genuinous, nilsieboy, ddevans96)

Makes sense to me as well. Good observation by TStar, and there really isn't a better option, unless we want to lynch more random people.

Also fixed numbers.

[Onizuka]

Shiningsword - 10 (Gavsword, RootRanger, Shantu, vinvick3714, Nepycros, an alien, patchx94, EvaRia, TheForbiddenOracle, jippy99)
an alien - 5 (TStar, Genuinous, nilsieboy, ddevans96, Onizuka)

Decent reasoning>Mindless voting