Karma

[Newbiecake]

Karma, the solution (I'm repeating them just to make my point about it):

1) Just ignore it.
Anyone can give it, for good or ridiculous reasons. Karma usually goes to seasoned members of the community anyways, usually from getting popular in chat. You will be more inclined to click that + button even if that popular person does a small good deed. Newbs like me would just ignore that number. Be the Good Samaratan to help the community the best you can without expecting this silly karma back in return.

2) As DK said, the fraction Karma system.

Newbies - 1/6 point towards karma
Jr. Member 2/6 point towards karma
Full Member 3/6 point towards karma
Sr. Member 4/6 points towards karma
Hero Member 5/6 points towards karma
Legendary Member 6/6 points towards karma

In Poisonking's case, most likely the karmas came from the newbs. Members who has more posts, knows what they are doing and what karma giving really means, should count more towards the karma.

3) Only higher ranked members can give karma.
People who have posted lots most likely knows the true meaning of karma and applaud. I have seen some people, and I'm not going to mention who, accumulating lots of karmas without doing anything good for the community or ridiculous (like Poisonking, what he did was completely fine, but getting the karma wasn't). Most likely those people just made accounts, posted 20 times, and gave themselves karma. With only high ranking members giving karmas, this self-giving karma act can be stopped.

Karma is quite ridiculous in certain cases, that's why I choose to ignore it. I'm not putting down the vets hard work of earning them though, because I know the people who actually did a lot of things for the community to deserve the karmas. 

[Bhlewos]

Someone suggested something similar to this in the first page where we vote posts (rather than members) up or down. In a forum I mod for, we have "thank" buttons underneath any post that we can click. It is of course not always used the "right" way (posts are thanked for sharing useful information, offering reasonable insight, or alternatively being funny but spam), but since there's no counter underneath a member's name (to find the number of their thanked posts you actually have to go to the trouble of looking at their profile), the "thanks" isn't seen as a rating of the member's standing or a points system to try to aspire to, but rather something like the "like" button of Facebook.

[Jangoo]

Whatever you do, do not bring back negative Karma!

HERE (http://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php/topic,5339.msg62897#msg62897)
are a ton of good reasons why "Karma" sucks in general, but especially when it's negative,
and a lot of good arguments from either side of the debate ...
Outcome: Negative Karma went down.


I love the idea of being able to rate specific posts.

I dislike just about any other idea to "improve" the system except abolishing Karma as a whole.

I especially dislike the idea of handing "special rights" to "special/vet people" ...
For all I know this status can be achieved within no-time if only you are popular
enough and popularity should not be the issue here.

[TheonlyrealBeef]

I kind of agree with karma system being bad as is, it's plain sad.

Maybe I should make one prank and just leave the tourney room rather than hosting a tournament, since apparently, one prank is worth a dozen more karma than hosting a dozen tournaments

[Rastafla]

My first karma points came from giving newbies technical assistance. How to purge cache, force a save when that disconnect button constantly blinked red etc. Some from doing t50 farms for others. And then ive forgotten what ive been given for otherwise.

Does this make my karma "better" than anyone elses? I think Not.
Does everyone deserve karma for every good action? I think Not.
Does it matter from where your or mine karma comes from? I think not.
Does anyone's karma really matter? I think not.

This brings me to my own question.

Does new uninformed players think karma matter?
Sadly yes.

[Jangoo]

My first karma points came from giving newbies technical assistance. How to purge cache, force a save when that disconnect button constantly blinked red etc. Some from doing t50 farms for others. And then ive forgotten what ive been given for otherwise.

Does this make my karma "better" than anyone elses? I think Not. 
Yes, except for those you forgot about.
Does everyone deserve karma for every good action? I think Not.
Yes, because that is what KARMA is originally ... no exceptions for anyone who is still human.
Does it matter from where your or mine karma comes from? I think not.
Yes, totally ... or else this thread or the one I linked above wouldn't exist.
Does anyone's karma really matter? I think not.
Yes, totally ... or else this thread or the one I linked above wouldn't exist.

This brings me to my own question.

Does new uninformed players think karma matter?
Sadly yes.
Of course they do, because it does ... Why should there be redundant crap in a nice forum like this?
Karma does matter or it wouldn't be used, discussed, criticised, promoted etc. ...
So if people could please stop pretending they "totally don't care about that arbitrary stuff" while being
the ones posting in a Karma-thread in the first place ...

I kind of agree with karma system being bad as is, it's plain sad.

Maybe I should make one prank and just leave the tourney room rather than hosting a tournament, since apparently, one prank is worth a dozen more karma than hosting a dozen tournaments

Feeling with you Beef even if I never benefitted from your work personally.
Poisonking is the reason why you will quit organizing tourneys 
 (pun intended -> expecting at least 3 Karma for this)

[mightyforest]

Um, to be honest when I look at a person's profile karma is the last thing I notice.

Stuff that catches my eye are volunteer forum staff positions, the masters, and people with achievement token displays. Who cares about that little number sandwiched between... somewhere... I don't even remember where karma falls on a basic profile off the top of my head....

I understand this incident (20 karma on first post i believe) makes some hard contributors feel unappreciated, so I'd just like to say here (for whatever it's worth) as a noob to those hard workers who post real useful content that I do notice and remember your names. Honest. I consider you part of lore, part of this community's history. Noobs like me look up to people for achievements like building the RoL Hope deck (gl1) which is >>>>>>> 9999 karma, so please do not be discouraged!

You may have noticed already but the [ + ] button alone is not the best way to reward someone for something they have done. The "Reply" button is, or at the very least you will need to use the two in conjunction.

Words of gold.

[kitty45]

After reading everyone's posts this is what I think we should do.

1.) That karma would be excepted before given
2.) Put in Rules that Karma is for good deeds,but people might abuse it.

well just brainstorming Made them up some have been said I'll add more later

[tiebearius]

I would hate too add more work to ANY forum organizers, BUT, Why not enable an IM system into the karma button. Every time you hit karma one must include a written reason why he sent it. Then once a week a forum organizer could go through the request and decide which had merit.

[Daxx]

Just chiming in to say that any "solution" to this "problem" that involves anyone (especially Scaredgirl or the moderators) having to do more work is probably not going to happen.

My only suggestion is that, if it bothers you that people receive karma for the wrong reasons, you need to start giving it out for the right reasons.

[vrt]

Just chiming in to say that any "solution" to this "problem" that involves anyone (especially Scaredgirl or the moderators) having to do more work is probably not going to happen.

My only suggestion is that, if it bothers you that people receive karma for the wrong reasons, you need to start giving it out for the right reasons.

+karma


oh-

[Camoninja]

Just chiming in to say that any "solution" to this "problem" that involves anyone (especially Scaredgirl or the moderators) having to do more work is probably not going to happen.

My only suggestion is that, if it bothers you that people receive karma for the wrong reasons, you need to start giving it out for the right reasons.

This is why I suggested makingit EASIER to give karma.

For anyone who thinks newbies think karma is important, I, as a newbie to the forums, don't really care about karma at all, having it myself or basing trust on it. There are many flashy titles that make me trust people (Master, moderator, curator, admin, etc) and also post count shows dedication and trustworthiness. If you want all the newbies to admire you then go volunteer and earn that flashy title of pro-ness. It just annoys me to see people wanting to limit rights for people in the future.