allow more than 2 level 1 submissions per week in CIA forum.

[moomoose]

tier the weekly submission limit to be something based on the card designer rankings if you want, but to limit the top designers who are not producing junk cards to 2 per week is counter productive.

[Scaredgirl]

Limitations like that are required to increase the overall quality and avoid spam. If we did like you suggest and let top ranked designers submit more cards, that would only increase the gap between them and newbie designers because people who submit more cards will most likely gain more score.

[moomoose]

"Limitations like that are required to increase the overall quality and avoid spam"  allowing the top designers to submit more would accomplish this.

limit everyone to 2 card per week until they have ~1-3 points, then increase it to 3-4, and then after 15 points remove the limit.

"that would only increase the gap between them and newbie designers because people who submit more cards will most likely gain more score."

the new designers should show they dont suck and generate bad cards and spam, as noted in point #1, so they can submit more cards.




the point is that good card creators are not the problem, but are being treated as if they were.  i may not be the person with the best idea of how to fix it, but there can be improvements made and i think they should be.

[majofa]

What qualifies someone as a 'Top Designer'? Maybe they have more cards in the Forge/Armory only because they submit more cards..... and then allowing them to submit even more cards would just amplify this effect. 2 is a good amount... maybe even 1 would be better?

[moomoose]

What qualifies someone as a 'Top Designer'? Maybe they have more cards in the Forge/Armory only because they submit more cards..... and then allowing them to submit even more cards would just amplify this effect. 2 is a good amount... maybe even 1 would be better?

submitting more cards doesnt help qualify anyone for anything if they arent good cards.  the majority of bad cards (if not all) die in level 1 regardless of who submitted them or how many submissions they made.  if someone is able to think up many good card ideas, they should be permitted to submit them.

card creation is a hobby of mine, i enjoy it more than pvp or farming false gods or arenas.  limiting the submissions to 2 per week (or fewer) would be like saying you can only play one or two arena matches per week or two duels per week or whatever it is that floats your boat.

[Hyroen]

How about this, we not get elitist and just consider the "top designers" as lucky or as having many friends.

Considering the Crucible system is effective but having flaws, I'm sure zanzarino will want to look at the higher levels of the Crucible, but not necessarily. Many good ideas are shot down due to unfortunate circumstances.

moomoose, you have good ideas, at least in my opinion (with the exception of one that seriously bothered me) but let's just be patient and lighten the load for those who are doing work for free.

2 per week is a good number and in some cases more than enough, and if not, pick your favourite ideas and submit them first. If you think your ideas are good, they'll get far...

...eventually, right?

[moomoose]

"How about this, we not get elitist and just consider the "top designers" as lucky or as having many friends. " < bs, a few friends may help you get on the board, but it wont help you go to the top.  and lucky might be attributable to getting 1 card to level 3 or one card competition win, but not many to level 2 and many to level 3, or one to level 4.

"lighten the load for those who are doing work for free. " < carries no weight for me, id be happy to lighten their load and do the work myself if i had the permissions necessary to do so.  and if they don't want me to do the work, and they themselves dont want to do the work, they shouldnt have volunteered to do it.



screw it, it seems im the only one who actually cares about being able to submit what i make, so f it.  ill just find something else to do with my time/creativity/whatever.

[BluePriest]

What qualifies someone as a 'Top Designer'? Maybe they have more cards in the Forge/Armory only because they submit more cards..... and then allowing them to submit even more cards would just amplify this effect. 2 is a good amount... maybe even 1 would be better?

If its because they submit more cards is there really something wrong with that? One of those ideas ended up being a great idea. What if voodoo doll wasnt noticed by Zanz because the author couldnt submit another idea into the crucible? Ect ect ect. Overall, although it stops some "shovelware" for a lack of a better word, it also inhibits card ideas from progressing at the rate they should.

I dont speand much time in CIA very much anymore (dont have enough good ideas lol) and I didnt even know about this rule before now, but yeah.

[Scaredgirl]

What qualifies someone as a 'Top Designer'? Maybe they have more cards in the Forge/Armory only because they submit more cards..... and then allowing them to submit even more cards would just amplify this effect. 2 is a good amount... maybe even 1 would be better?

If its because they submit more cards is there really something wrong with that? One of those ideas ended up being a great idea. What if voodoo doll wasnt noticed by Zanz because the author couldnt submit another idea into the crucible? Ect ect ect. Overall, although it stops some "shovelware" for a lack of a better word, it also inhibits card ideas from progressing at the rate they should.

I dont speand much time in CIA very much anymore (dont have enough good ideas lol) and I didnt even know about this rule before now, but yeah.

Although it might somewhat limit creativity, it also increases overall idea quality because people will think twice before posting some random idea. Crucible would become a total mess very fast if people started to spam low quality ideas in hopes of one of them earning designer points.

To avoid idea spamming, we need some kind of a limit. The question is what that limit is. I personally think that 2-3 cards per week per person is probably optimal because if we go past that, idea quality will probably start to suffer, plus it would dramatically increase the workload of the Curators. But If Curators want to increase the limit, I'm fine with that.

We have to remember that it's better to have less ideas and really polish them to perfecting, rather then simply unload ideas and move on to the next one. There are some people who can manage to produce 3+ high quality ideas per week, but because we need to keep things fair for everyone, the limit has to apply to everyone.

[OldTrees]

The goal of the limit is to ensure that every card designer submits only their best ideas.
This increase in quality is more noticeable in the choices of the expert designers and the choices of the inexperienced designers.
For those in the middle, the process of choosing what card ideas to submit promotes growth and development as designers.

The limit increases quality and helps improve the skills of the designers. It has my full support*.

*I may be biased considering I take more than a week to develop an idea to my satisfaction.

[Ajit]

Perhaps the limitation could be refined, but due to the point of further widening the gap between experienced and noob card designers, I don't think this will work as a solution.  Most anything can be changed and improved for the better, but it hasn't been presented yet in this thread.  Although it looks like it's too late for moomoose, possibly just an increase to 3 cards a week.  But I definitely sympathize with the card curators as far as tough work, I had to quit that job due to workload.

[EmeraldTiger]

Until there is a need for a change, there wont be. I personally Agree the current format give time for proper assessment of ideas. And on that note I think this topic should be locked.