KOTH (slowly finding the best T50 deck)

[jmdt]

idk you should waste time testing this, but a faster version of upped shrieker rush is -4 elite shriekers, -2 stone towers, +6 elite antlions. although that could be wrong against T50? i dont see any reason why it would be.
also in the fire rush deck posted by Jmdt, shouldnt the unupped Crimson dragons be replaced by Ruby dragons? or is that on purpose? (10/12 vs 12/15...its a bit cheaper and a teensy bit better ratio but not as efficient as a spot cuz of lower damage)

Testing has shown crimson dragons to be faster.

[jmdt]

Shrieker rush is turning out to be surprisingly good for T50.  What really makes the deck thrive is that it basically never has issues with quanta, nor does it get bad draws.

What I've noticed from the 27-card Fire Rush deck, is that sometimes it suffers from a "failure to launch".  It is worth noting that Precognition always seems to be part of the problem, by congesting the hand.  Basically you are missing either ROLs or cremation, and have one or more procogs.  In this situation precogs don't do their function, they don't move the deck along.  Precogs only work when you have already used a cremation to gain the time quanta needed for precog.... so instead of moving the deck along, they end up hurting you, by causing more "bad hands".

I used a shrieker rush against T50 for a long time with good success.

You won't find the "failure to launch" nearly as bad with hrmmm's fire rush.

[SickPillow]

For the shrieker rush shouldn't you use a longsword?
It does the same amount of damage for less quanta.

You are absolutely right.  I am embarrassed 
In my head they somehow had the same cost. 
I'll fix it for the next matchup.

thx for telling me.

[SickPillow]

idk you should waste time testing this, but a faster version of upped shrieker rush is -4 elite shriekers, -2 stone towers, +6 elite antlions. although that could be wrong against T50? i dont see any reason why it would be.
also in the fire rush deck posted by Jmdt, shouldnt the unupped Crimson dragons be replaced by Ruby dragons? or is that on purpose? (10/12 vs 12/15...its a bit cheaper and a teensy bit better ratio but not as efficient as a spot cuz of lower damage)

Going by the Turns to Win Study:

-Mono-Earth Shrieker Rush: 5.830 ttw losses: 2 games: 200 - Posted by Fragmentation - updated by hrmmm
17 Stone Tower, 6 Graboid, 6 Shrieker, 1 Long Sword, Time Mark
Spoiler for deck image:
-Mono-Earth Antlion/Shrieker Rush: 5.920 ttw losses: 1 games: 200 - posted by trdgrh - updated by jmdt
14 Stone Tower, 6 Graboid, 6 Antlion, 3 Shriekers, 1 Long Sword, Time Mark.

Mono shrieker is faster than the version with antlions...

Also, I actually didn't want to start out with a really powerful deck.  I should have chosen a worse deck maybe, but I already had the shrieker deck made....  so I used it   

[Alterra]

Here's Yala's T50 Speed Deck

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I use this deck for grind T50 and AI3
it's Pretty fast

[xuru]

IMO there is no way to say which deck is the best to use against t50. Decks in t50 changes so fast that in fact you can't find out any right win/lose score.

[SickPillow]

IMO there is no way to say which deck is the best to use against t50. Decks in t50 changes so fast that in fact you can't find out any right win/lose score.

Only 2 decks are being compared at one time.  Both decks are being played at "virtually" the same time.  Only these two decks are being looked at for win/loss and TTW, they are not being compared to past matchups and those win/loss records.  When the next deck is pitted against the winner, I play with both decks again, I don't use past win/loss records.

Not much more I can say.  You Can compare T50 data of 2 decks where the data is gathered at the same time... 

Hmm.. maybe I didn't explain my method enough in my original post... i'll try looking at it and see if it is not clear.

[SickPillow]

I use this deck for grind T50 and AI3
it's Pretty fast

I'll put the deck on my to-do list. 

[SickPillow]

Match 3 Results are Up.  Wooooo
 

[jmdt]

Match 3 Results are Up.  Wooooo
 

I'm not 100% sure I agree with your assessment.

When it comes down to 4 losses versus 0.4 ttw, its is more of a draw if anything.  Honestly, with a 0.4 ttw difference I would give it the fire rush personally as you will win faster and hence more efficient most of the time.

At the end of the day, these are the two fastest deck types in the game.

[SickPillow]

Match 3 Results are Up.  Wooooo
 

I'm not 100% sure I agree with your assessment.

When it comes down to 4 losses versus 0.4 ttw, its is more of a draw if anything.  Honestly, with a 0.4 ttw difference I would give it the fire rush personally as you will win faster and hence more efficient most of the time.

At the end of the day, these are the two fastest deck types in the game.

I noted down the wins that Shrieker Rush had Vs decks with creature control.  Which the Fire Rush lost to.  If I make 4 of those wins into losses... the turns per win score drops down to 6.167 for the Shrieker Rush.  Now you have a .24 TTW difference. 

Also, TTW, does not totally represent play speed, as is discussed many times in your TTW study.  The shrieker rush is one of the fastest decks to play, since you don't have to think, you don't have to cremate creatures, or buff them every turn.... so there are other considerations, if you want to add to the stats already there.

But to me, in this comparison, I am going mainly by win percentage, and how strong a deck is.   Fire Rush was losing to decks which Shrieker was winning against.

Yet, if what you care most about is TTW, then Fire Rush is best.  You just have to quit out of unfavorable matchups.

It is very true that they were very close in performance... as it is, I didn't think the current champion deck should be dethroned, when it came up with a better win percentage, and a pretty close TTW score.

[SickPillow]

Match 3 Results are Up.  Wooooo
 

I'm not 100% sure I agree with your assessment.

When it comes down to 4 losses versus 0.4 ttw, its is more of a draw if anything.  Honestly, with a 0.4 ttw difference I would give it the fire rush personally as you will win faster and hence more efficient most of the time.

At the end of the day, these are the two fastest deck types in the game.

Also,
I can always give the deck a rematch... after I do a couple others