Farmer's Market!!!

[RootRanger]

Bad idea if you think about it a little. At first you think, oh of course, free cards, what fun! I hope you realize the following: the more people that have rare cards, the less rare they are. I would like cards to be won with skill against good players and LVL5/FGs. Apparently, you all want the distribution of rare cards to be completely random and based on luck?

Lastly, I hope you realize that T50 farms reduce donations. One of the reasons to donate is to get a shard; if you make shards easily accessible, Zanz will receive fewer donations.

[TimerClock14]

Bad idea if you think about it a little. At first you think, oh of course, free cards, what fun! I hope you realize the following: the more people that have rare cards, the less rare they are. I would like cards to be won with skill against good players and LVL5/FGs. Apparently, you all want the distribution of rare cards to be completely random and based on luck?

As true as this is, please keep in mind that these will only be up for (according to the poll) an our at max per farm. Also according to the poll: there will be near half of the T50 (proly less) doing this at a time. I would give you a really nice formula for to calculate the amount of rares gained for each farm that was up, but i'm too tired to do that right now. XD

Lastly, I hope you realize that T50 farms reduce donations. One of the reasons to donate is to get a shard; if you make shards easily accessible, Zanz will receive fewer donations.

This here bothers me. I know it's true, but the way you make it sound is that if this does happen, then zanz's donations will go down just because there is another way to get shards. I really don't think that those people who are donating money are doing it just to get shards that they can get faster by farming T50 even when this little farmer's market thing ISN'T up, and with a side of fun as a plus. Personally, I think that anyone who actually does this needs help....
My point being: Getting shards is just a plus when you donate, most people donate to elements because they want to. If I'm wrong, then so be it. But if it is really that much of a problem, then we'll just put the signup and stuff in a secret board or something. Then announce it the morning of farmer's market with a public post or something.

[QuantumT]

I think the cat is out of the bag when it comes to shards anyway. Too many people have them at this point.

I suppose I might be up for doing this, as long as no one complained if I made mine a biter.

[TheonlyrealBeef]

I wouldn't do it. One of the reasons being that I'd want to farm myself that day

Seriously though, with all the different time-zones it's just impossible to convince even half to do so at the right time, and I for one treasure my free time and intend not to just sit by at that specific time just because some people declare it "Farmer's Market"

[SnoWeb]

Why would you play against T50 outside of the farming hours?
You would grind whatever else waiting for the right moment and then free shop your rares without any resistance!
I think it's a very bad idea!

[RootRanger]

As true as this is, please keep in mind that these will only be up for (according to the poll) an our at max per farm. Also according to the poll: there will be near half of the T50 (proly less) doing this at a time. I would give you a really nice formula for to calculate the amount of rares gained for each farm that was up, but i'm too tired to do that right now. XD

The increase in the ratio of rares gained from pure luck (farmer's market) to rares gained from mostly skill and some luck (FG, Lvl5, ect) will increase. Sure, people will only gain a couple rares from the farmer's market. However, the increase from luck to skill will be there.

This here bothers me. I know it's true, but the way you make it sound is that if this does happen, then zanz's donations will go down just because there is another way to get shards. I really don't think that those people who are donating money are doing it just to get shards that they can get faster by farming T50 even when this little farmer's market thing ISN'T up, and with a side of fun as a plus. Personally, I think that anyone who actually does this needs help....
My point being: Getting shards is just a plus when you donate, most people donate to elements because they want to. If I'm wrong, then so be it. But if it is really that much of a problem, then we'll just put the signup and stuff in a secret board or something. Then announce it the morning of farmer's market with a public post or something.

I realize that very few people donate only for the card, and that a lot of people donate purely because they love Elements. However, speaking hypothetically, say that someone loves elements almost enough to donate simply because they love elements, but not quite enough. Also, they need one more shard for their new deck. When they realize they will get that shard for donating, they decided to do that. Now, say that they had gone to the farmers market. They had the last shard they needed, and while they love elements, they didn't quite love it enough to donate. I realize that the chances of this hypothetical situation or one similar are small. But will you really risk any Elements donation simply for a couple rares? What avarice.

[Kuross]

As true as this is, please keep in mind that these will only be up for (according to the poll) an our at max per farm. Also according to the poll: there will be near half of the T50 (proly less) doing this at a time. I would give you a really nice formula for to calculate the amount of rares gained for each farm that was up, but i'm too tired to do that right now. XD

The increase in the ratio of rares gained from pure luck (farmer's market) to rares gained from mostly skill and some luck (FG, Lvl5, ect) will increase. Sure, people will only gain a couple rares from the farmer's market. However, the increase from luck to skill will be there.

This here bothers me. I know it's true, but the way you make it sound is that if this does happen, then zanz's donations will go down just because there is another way to get shards. I really don't think that those people who are donating money are doing it just to get shards that they can get faster by farming T50 even when this little farmer's market thing ISN'T up, and with a side of fun as a plus. Personally, I think that anyone who actually does this needs help....
My point being: Getting shards is just a plus when you donate, most people donate to elements because they want to. If I'm wrong, then so be it. But if it is really that much of a problem, then we'll just put the signup and stuff in a secret board or something. Then announce it the morning of farmer's market with a public post or something.

I realize that very few people donate only for the card, and that a lot of people donate purely because they love Elements. However, speaking hypothetically, say that someone loves elements almost enough to donate simply because they love elements, but not quite enough. Also, they need one more shard for their new deck. When they realize they will get that shard for donating, they decided to do that. Now, say that they had gone to the farmers market. They had the last shard they needed, and while they love elements, they didn't quite love it enough to donate. I realize that the chances of this hypothetical situation or one similar are small. But will you really risk any Elements donation simply for a couple rares? What avarice.

You do realize your argument applies to everyone who has ever posted a farm, right?

One small point- you can only get the SoG and the alternate art Chimera for donating, or at least last time I checked.

This game doesn't care about any cost ratio with rares since there is no trading system in place. If trading were a mechanic available, then any argument about the influx of rares would make perfect sense. But since the rares gathered only apply to the person who has them, all you're saying is that those that have should not allow any that have not. While there are arguments out there that say everyone should work equally for the rares they get there are also a lot of arguments that say the grind drives people away- people that would possibly donate to the game. If a farmer's market helped keep people active and playing, then it would indirectly keep people donating.

No here is suggesting that all the Top50 spend several days giving away tons of rares, only that for a short window in a month do we help others out a bit so they to can enjoy the benefit of having a little extra cards or electrum to work with when playing Elements. Besides, if it's an issue of "free" rares, and whatnot, why not have it so all those that were to participate in a farmer's market set up only biting farms.

[RootRanger]

You do realize your argument applies to everyone who has ever posted a farm, right?

Yes. Farms bother me a little, but I like less the sudden rise in the amount of farms.

One small point- you can only get the SoG and the alternate art Chimera for donating, or at least last time I checked.

You can get an unupgraded SoG from Top50. I think you are correct about the alternate art Chimera.

This game doesn't care about any cost ratio with rares since there is no trading system in place. If trading were a mechanic available, then any argument about the influx of rares would make perfect sense.

I just want the distribution of rares to be more skill and less luck. Speaking hypothetically, say that Zanzarino decides to award a rare for every FG or Lvl5 victory. This would increase the amount of rares, but I would be fine with it because those rares would be obtained by skill.

the grind drives people away- people that would possibly donate to the game. If a farmer's market helped keep people active and playing, then it would indirectly keep people donating.

This is a great point. It would be interesting to test this, but I don't exactly know how.

No here is suggesting that all the Top50 spend several days giving away tons of rares, only that for a short window in a month do we help others out a bit so they to can enjoy the benefit of having a little extra cards or electrum to work with when playing Elements. Besides, if it's an issue of "free" rares, and whatnot, why not have it so all those that were to participate in a farmer's market set up only biting farms.

I am for the distribution of rares to those that do not have them. However, I believe it should be based on more luck than skill.
Perhaps some compromise could be made, say a T50 "semi-farm": a real deck with a few more rares than usual and no upgrades.

[Kuross]

One small point- you can only get the SoG and the alternate art Chimera for donating, or at least last time I checked.

You can get an unupgraded SoG from Top50. I think you are correct about the alternate art Chimera.

Quick point- I was making an offhand comment that the only two cards you can get when donating is a Green Shard and the alternate art Chimera. I probably misunderstood you below simply because it sounded as if any shard was obtainable through donation. My bad

Also, they need one more shard for their new deck. When they realize they will get that shard for donating, they decided to do that. Now, say that they had gone to the farmers market. They had the last shard they needed, and while they love elements, they didn't quite love it enough to donate.

[Malduk]

The increase in the ratio of rares gained from pure luck (farmer's market) to rares gained from mostly skill and some luck (FG, Lvl5, ect) will increase. Sure, people will only gain a couple rares from the farmer's market. However, the increase from luck to skill will be there.

I am for the distribution of rares to those that do not have them. However, I believe it should be based on more luck than skill.

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I have no idea what are you trying to say here, but you only need luck to spin a rare card. The only skill you might need is skill of browsing a forum.

Also, implying that FGs or AI5 are a place to search for rare cards is just wrong.

[TimerClock14]

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Also, implying that FGs or AI5 are a place to search for rare cards is just wrong.

I agree, FGs are there to get you upped cards (if you win one) and most people sell them. AI5 is really just not worth it in the first place >_>

[RootRanger]

I have no idea what are you trying to say here, but you only need luck to spin a rare card. The only skill you might need is skill of browsing a forum.

Luck is needed in both AI and Farming. However, AI has more skill because you never even get to spin if you don't have the skill to beat the AI.

Also, implying that FGs or AI5 are a place to search for rare cards is just wrong.

I neglected to include Lvl3 because most people can win against Lvl3 most of the time. This causes the spinning to be common for almost everyone, whether they are very skilled or only skilled enough to beat a Lvl3. And we all know that spinning is just luck. FGs and Lvl5, however, cannot be beaten by everyone. This causes good players to receive more spins, thus a bigger chance to get lucky. Lastly, I rarely play Lvl3, but I am lacking a lot of rares. I play Lvl5 and FGs because electrum is my primary objective and the rares sometimes come.