Best deck for grinding t50?

[Jack D.]

That poison deck I put there doesn't require any rare cards. You can easily replace those 2 x Arsenics with 2 x Improved Plague. Against rainbow it's actually BETTER that way because then you have nothing to Steal.

I would say that poison deck is one of the best, if not THE best deck to grind current top-50 with fast and consistent results.

I tested out unupgraded poison as you list above with the 2x Plague (note Improved Plague is a rare card so it wouldn't be a good suggestion for a deck not requiring any rare cards.

Now, I have a partially upgraded rainbow deck and do pretty well with it so I know a bit about how to play the game.  However, I lost at least three quarters of the games I played in an evening of testing.

It worked so poorly, I felt I had to register just to warn other people away from it. Most of Scaredgirl's posts are very informative and useful, but the poison deck without any rare cards just doesn't seem to work. 

Maybe when all you people who have been playing for a long time are so used to playing with upgraded cards, you don't actually remember playing unupgraded decks. I don't know. but new people to the game need to find some way to get into the game with upgrading cards and winning the rare cards (i.e. shards) that you can't get any other way. 

I'm thinking this isn't the way to do it. 

[MrBlonde]

I tested out unupgraded poison as you list above with the 2x Plague (note Improved Plague is a rare card so it wouldn't be a good suggestion for a deck not requiring any rare cards.

I'm thinking you made a mistake with that statement. If not just so you know improved plague is not a rare card. It's just an upgraded plague.

ScaredGirls statement was a while ago and i even think that she would agree that upgraded poison is no longer the BEST deck to use. Unupgraded poison does not work very well and i'm sure that's quoted somewhere in here.  Upgraded its still a good deck to use as i was running 80% with it but there are faster more consistent decks IMO (such as the earth deck by koranuso).

[Jack D.]

I tested out unupgraded poison as you list above with the 2x Plague (note Improved Plague is a rare card so it wouldn't be a good suggestion for a deck not requiring any rare cards.

I'm thinking you made a mistake with that statement. If not just so you know improved plague is not a rare card. It's just an upgraded plague.

Yes, I meant upgraded, not rare.  My apologies.

ScaredGirls statement was a while ago and i even think that she would agree that upgraded poison is no longer the BEST deck to use. Unupgraded poison does not work very well and i'm sure that's quoted somewhere in here.  Upgraded its still a good deck to use as i was running 80% with it but there are faster more consistent decks IMO (such as the earth deck by koranuso).

Well, that was why I was pointing this out. It's kind of hard to keep track of this if you didn't read the forums regularly for a long time.  Coming into the game at this point, there are lot of ideas and suggestions floating about and little to point out what is currently accurate and what is not.

Thus, I pointed out that this deck is not a good deck to play for t50.  If you read other threads, you will find that other people have been trying this deck out lately. It's a little frustrating for a new player to spend a lot of electrum to try one of these "ultimate top farming" decks to find out it was just a waste of good coin. Hopefully with this information, others will avoid the same mistake I made.

[Mrd3ath]

If you want to do poison, here's another good deck to grind top-50 with: http://elementstheforum.smfforfree3.com/index.php/topic,386.0.html (http://elementstheforum.smfforfree3.com/index.php/topic,386.0.html)


Mark of Water.

This deck is great against rainbow because Sundials don't affect it much. You can easily shut down Otyughs and FFQ's with Congeal, while you keep adding poison. This deck is much faster than it appears.

does this work non-upgraded against lvl. 3?

[Mrd3ath]

well, I created the Poison deck unupgraded and its working pretty well against T50.


By balance776 (http://profile.imageshack.us/user/balance776)

Upgrading the Poisons and Chrysaora's would certainly help it, but even without the upgrades I win about 50% of the time.

not too bad!
thanks for deck idea guys!

Can you add some toad-fish?

[Elasseyra]

I like poison the most for T50. Reasons:

Pros:
+ Shields/Sundials only block a small part of your damage
+ You still do damage after your creatures get destroyed
+ You have no damage cap, which helps versus heal-heavy decks (hi clp)
+ Stacking poison to 100+ is fun

Cons:
+ A little slower than Life/Fire/Earth (but not by much really)

I'm using this modification of the poison deck:

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I find Congeal not very useful, since
a) It hinders you playing your Physalia - you already have to wait if you draw more than one without Congeal
b) Most rainbow decks (which is the largest part you (or at least I) face in T50 use quints anyway and Life rush often has Epinephrine which renders it useless

Loses ~50% vs. Life/Fire/Earth due to them being faster - better draws or Bone Wall turns the tide
May lose vs. Rainbow if they draw lots of SoGs early

Else there are no problems (disregarding awful draws on my or insanely good draws on the opponent's side)

Can you add some toad-fish?

No, not enough water with just the mark. Flying Arsenic is my Toadfish

[johannhowitzer]

Quick tip to any newcomers who are using T50 for rare-farming... if you see any quantum towers come out, click "Menu" and quit immediately.  If you don't care about score, I find this saves a huge amount of time.  Fighting those rainbows takes way too long and hardly ever yields a good card.  I just won a Morning Star, three Druidic Staves, an Owl's Eye, two Fahrenheits, two Titans, an Eternity, two Pulverizers, a Trident, two Arctic Squids, two Miracles, a Discord, and a Lobotomizer in about three hours by skipping rainbows.  19 rare cards.

Already had a Vampire Stiletto, so the only weapon I'm missing is Arsenic.  The only person in T50 I've seen so far with that weapon for farming is chaoz... and he stocks miracles too.  He picked death mark and light towers, presumably just to annoy people, because with my full poison deck I managed to provoke five Miracles and get poison stacked over 50 before his Arsenic finally offed me.  I'll have to stick a boneyard or two in there and try again.

[Elasseyra]

if you see any quantum towers come out, click "Menu" and quit immediately

I don't agree with that. Anti-FG Timebows die before they play a creature most of the times, and others only take 2 or 3 turns longer than mono-decks. It only takes long if they play lots of shards or shields right at the start. Plus, they are easy wins in almost all cases, even if they play the SoGs and shields and my hand is bad. Depends on deck of course, but I wouldn't quit right away with any.

Also, from my experience Rainbows are about 60-70% of my match-ups, would be pretty insane if I'd quit all those.

About time efficieny, sure it'd be faster if you quit right away when you know it's gonna be tough or take long. However I never quit a game unless my fate is sealed 100%. But that's just me

[MrBlonde]

I like poison the most for T50. Reasons:

I find Congeal not very useful, since
a) It hinders you playing your Physalia - you already have to wait if you draw more than one without Congeal
b) Most rainbow decks (which is the largest part you (or at least I) face in T50 use quints anyway and Life rush often has Epinephrine which renders it useless

Loses ~50% vs. Life/Fire/Earth due to them being faster - better draws or Bone Wall turns the tide
May lose vs. Rainbow if they draw lots of SoGs early

Not saying this is any better but maybe you would like to try this deck out? You have most of the cards already, works fairly well and you don't have to really worry about creature control or bonewalls. I found that with a regular speed poison deck with physalia's, oty's and RoF's really ruined my day.
http://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php/topic,5961.msg67844.html#new

My personal favorite T50 farmer though is Jangoo's speed rainbow deck. If you want to get EM's in the T50 this is the deck to use. I'm 145-26 (84.80%) with 84 EM's (57.93%). Probably a little slower then the other speed decks but the win percentage for me is a little higher then my next best farmer. Majority of my losses are due to the prevalent RoL/Hope deck. I really hate that matchup.

[johannhowitzer]

if you see any quantum towers come out, click "Menu" and quit immediately

I don't agree with that. Anti-FG Timebows die before they play a creature most of the times, and others only take 2 or 3 turns longer than mono-decks. It only takes long if they play lots of shards or shields right at the start. Plus, they are easy wins in almost all cases, even if they play the SoGs and shields and my hand is bad. Depends on deck of course, but I wouldn't quit right away with any.

Also, from my experience Rainbows are about 60-70% of my match-ups, would be pretty insane if I'd quit all those.

About time efficieny, sure it'd be faster if you quit right away when you know it's gonna be tough or take long. However I never quit a game unless my fate is sealed 100%. But that's just me

I run unupgraded poison, and those rainbows have an annoying habit of playing quint elite oty.  I tried both ways and found I won cards way way faster by skipping rainbows - you make 60 electrum for one win against a farm deck, and lose 15 for each loss... you only need 20% of decks you face to be farm decks in order to break even, and I was turning a profit.  I won so many weapons so quickly that I've begun selling off the extras (I had 9 druidic staves) for quick cash.

It's definitely more consistent cash than farming AI5, though you don't get the crazy burst electrum from selling off rares.  I for one prefer consistency over burst... in WoW, I've always favored attack/spell power and haste over crit.  But you definitely make money by skipping rainbows, on average.  I've actually been using it to build auxiliary decks, instead of farming AI3/5.

[MrBlonde]

you only need 20% of decks you face to be farm decks in order to break even, and I was turning a profit. 

That there is the problem... typically 20% of the T50 decks are not farm decks. But if you are indeed making a profit then i guess it's not a bad idea... I would just hate to add so many needless losses to my record.

[johannhowitzer]

You know what?  I tried fighting every one again (save a few I know are really annoying), and I think you're right.  Victories ARE usually fast enough unless I get a bad draw and the AI gets a good one, and the extra electrum from those victories really adds up.  Add in the fact that this is pretty fun and decent farming with lots of rares, and I might just retire AI5 farming forever.  Just now won two shards in one fight - decked out chaoz, I think he had 30 cards all along and I just added bonewall to combat that arsenic I saw yesterday.  Nice to finally be on my way to my very own shard of gratitude!

EDIT: not three battles later I won another green shard, from a timebow!