Best deck for grinding t50?

[turin]

I haven't tried the poison deck, but I imagine it (poison) is probably a bit faster than this (fireball).  This fire deck CAN win in 5 turns, however it is extremely rare (so rare that I don't think I've ever had it happen, I have won in 6 though).  I would guess most often that wins come around turns 9-11 (by this point, even if your Fahrenheit has done no dmg, you should have some combination of the 4 bolts + 81 quanta, or 5 bolts + 63 quanta that you need to win).  The fire may have a higher winning percent than the poison, but may also take a bit longer.  Overall I am sure the poison is a "better" deck, since this fireball deck is wholly dependent on the fact that a) no Top50 decks have reflector shields and b) the AI never destroys upgraded sundials. 

The Poison deck wins, on average, in 6-8 turns, 9-11 turns on very rare occasions, and I've won in 5 turns twice. It IS faster on most occasions, but the deck that I've seen uzra play, which is very similar to this one, did manage to beat me by one turn because I kept drawing congeals (he had 20+ poison counters, and was at lower than 15 HP, I believe). Overall, both decks are very good at what they do, but likewise, they both have weaknesses. Poison is taken out by a single early game Devourer/Pest, and the Fire Lance deck is easily taken out by any type of reflecting shield.

I've tried both in the past, then decided to try something more funny (flying weapons) just not to get to bored in grinding. But I must say fire wins more than poison: it doesnt care about creatures at all and fears only reflection (wich i must say is SO rare in top50, i met only a jade shield and only once). On the other hand poison is faster in turns, but fire is more mindless play and no abilities to use.
In the end I would play fire because i believe in murphy's law: "the time you lost was the time you would get a rare" ;P

Down here my flying weapons deck: lot of control, possibility of masteries (miracle+strolen bond, or just having an early bonewall) and tends to 100% effectivness, but can have troubles against fast decks (poison/fire) with bad draws. note that i replaced the bond in the picture with a miracle to get easy wins even agaisnt those fast damaging decks.
So what's the prolem? It's slow :|

[Scaredgirl]

Upgrading the Poisons and Chrysaora's would certainly help it, but even without the upgrades I win about 50% of the time.

Poisons I'm not too sure about, but the Chrysaoras aren't the best thing to upgrade really. It only adds 2 damage per card, and the AI will see it a a bigger threat than the unupped ones.

Personally, I like Pufferfish myself (upped Toadfish). Take out some bone pillars, add some sapphire pillars. Change your mark to death, and add Puffers. They poison every time they hit, and don't need a constant supply of death quanta to function. Obviously, Pillars should be upgraded to towers as soon as possible.

Chrysaoras or much better upgraded. If you don't believe me, try it. That 2 damage adds up and most importantly, they take down the bone wall so you can spread poison with Arsenic.

Pufferfishes SUCK. They are too expensive and get totally owned by Phase Shields and Sundials. I would never take Pufferfish over Chrysaoras. Never.

[Scaredgirl]

I faced that poison deck for the first time against tttt (from t50).  I've been curious to see if my earth/time deck was fast enough to kill him before the poison got to me.  He won 2 out of 3.  I will say though that he had a fully upped deck and I only have 9 cards upped in my deck.

Actually a single devourer will pretty much shut the poison deck down completely. 80% of the time it will "eat" the water quantum, and can't get enough poison damage out to kill the opponent before dying.

Actually no.

It is true that Devourers are a pain but I've beaten them many times. They will "eat" the water quantum only 50% of time, not 80%. And when you get that 1 water quantum, all you need to do is to Congeal that Devourer and he's out for 4 turns.

I've won matches where the opponent had 2 Devourers on the table early. Even in that situation you have a 25% chance to get that 1 water quantum to use Congeal.

[Uncle Jellyfish]

I faced that poison deck for the first time against tttt (from t50).  I've been curious to see if my earth/time deck was fast enough to kill him before the poison got to me.  He won 2 out of 3.  I will say though that he had a fully upped deck and I only have 9 cards upped in my deck.

Actually a single devourer will pretty much shut the poison deck down completely. 80% of the time it will "eat" the water quantum, and can't get enough poison damage out to kill the opponent before dying.

Actually no.

It is true that Devourers are a pain but I've beaten them many times. They will "eat" the water quantum only 50% of time, not 80%. And when you get that 1 water quantum, all you need to do is to Congeal that Devourer and he's out for 4 turns.

I've won matches where the opponent had 2 Devourers on the table early. Even in that situation you have a 25% chance to get that 1 water quantum to use Congeal.

Well, of course, I've beaten mono-Dark too, but it's still a huge advantage to them, and especially when I start to see three or four Devourers out by third turn. =/ However, Devourers are the main weakness of the deck, hands down.

[Evil Hamster]

I faced that poison deck for the first time against tttt (from t50).  I've been curious to see if my earth/time deck was fast enough to kill him before the poison got to me.  He won 2 out of 3.  I will say though that he had a fully upped deck and I only have 9 cards upped in my deck.

Actually a single devourer will pretty much shut the poison deck down completely. 80% of the time it will "eat" the water quantum, and can't get enough poison damage out to kill the opponent before dying.

Actually no.

It is true that Devourers are a pain but I've beaten them many times. They will "eat" the water quantum only 50% of time, not 80%. And when you get that 1 water quantum, all you need to do is to Congeal that Devourer and he's out for 4 turns.

I've won matches where the opponent had 2 Devourers on the table early. Even in that situation you have a 25% chance to get that 1 water quantum to use Congeal.

I have recorded the devourer's quantum eating before. It is over 80% whatever you are generating the least of. I didn't track it specifically with this deck, but when I played it- if only one devourer showed up, it was always at least 3-4 turns before I had a water quantum to use.

Then again i am naturally unlucky so YMMV.

[thearchduke]

I've been running the poison deck to grind T50 and can attest to its satisfying destructive capabilities.  I was able to upgrade about half the pillars into towers, and all the poisons into deadly poisons.  I also have only one upgraded arsenic (thinking about grinding AI3 for another of those).  ANyway, some thoughts on the general discussion that preceded me:

Why not run half chrysaoras and half physalias?  Would that not get you the best of both worlds?
Druids controlled by the AI do not ever mutate chrysaoras, I can't speak to the physalias.
This deck is a GREAT starter speed killer.  You don't need upgrades at all.  I'm very impressed.

Can we start a movement for those people out there in the top fifty to always leave their decks full of rares?  Please?

[turin]

Can we start a movement for those people out there in the top fifty to always leave their decks full of rares?  Please?

I agree!!! And i'm in top50!
Problem is that there's no deck saving, so it's quite annoying especially for 50+ cards decks.
I think that first of all we need some kind of deck saving, just to build "play" decks and "farm" ones.

About me my top50 grinding deck is good even for farming: enjoy it!

[thearchduke]

About me my top50 grinding deck is good even for farming: enjoy it!

Thanks much.

Running the poison deck, I've come to a couple other conclusions.  No one ever should ever, EVER use purify.  You know what it doesn't do?  Stop a poison deck.  It DOES slow it down.  A bit.  And that can give you the edge you need to win.  I just have an incredibly hard time believing such a remote scenario justifies including purify in a deck.  Ever.

Secondly, the poison deck in this thread, much like a mono-fire deck, runs really fast for a reason perhaps not immediately apparent:  a total lack of defense.  Perhaps freeze/congeal counts as defense, but what's nice about these decks and farming with them is the quick decision.  You either win or you lose, and it takes about ten turns or less.  I suppose everyone else has seen this and is familiar with it, but I can't tell you how long it takes to play Fake Gods with a rainbow deck.  And, to take just one example, Rainbow carries a 90 card deck (or more?).  How often do you think you're going to spin an eternity (EDIT: I think my brain farted.  Pretend I said Eagle Eye)?  Farm the T50!  Let my people go!

[turin]

but I can't tell you how long it takes to play Fake Gods with a rainbow deck.  And, to take just one example, Rainbow carries a 90 card deck (or more?).  How often do you think you're going to spin an eternity?  Farm the T50!  Let my people go!

Rainbow has eternity????????????????????????? Is it a new change or your mistake?

[thearchduke]

Can we start a movement for those people out there in the top fifty to always leave their decks full of rares?  Please?

I agree!!! And i'm in top50!
Problem is that there's no deck saving, so it's quite annoying especially for 50+ cards decks.
I think that first of all we need some kind of deck saving, just to build "play" decks and "farm" ones.

About me my top50 grinding deck is good even for farming: enjoy it!

How many pulverizers do you keep in there?  I really, really, really wanted one.  Perhaps next time...

[thearchduke]

but I can't tell you how long it takes to play Fake Gods with a rainbow deck.  And, to take just one example, Rainbow carries a 90 card deck (or more?).  How often do you think you're going to spin an eternity?  Farm the T50!  Let my people go!

Rainbow has eternity????????????????????????? Is it a new change or your mistake?

I guess not, I'll trust your judgment on that one.  I know rainbow carries Eagle Eyes, I guess I thought I'd seen an eternity.  My bad, I'll fick it...

[turin]

@Archduke: my deck has 2 pulv, but in a 30 card deck it's good (i have only 1 more but unnecessary in the deck, if i had six i would have played a fying pulv deck )

About poison: i tried the new version posted by scaredgirl. The first version had some defence (bonewals and plague) that made it worse. The actual one works pretty good, even if unupgraded. Think better than fire

Edit: win rate is better with fire, but poison it's really faster