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Re: Charon's Bribe | Charon's Bribe https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=32914.msg470671#msg470671
« Reply #48 on: March 14, 2012, 05:32:14 am »
Congrats on getting this in the forge! I like its mechanic
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Re: Charon's Bribe | Charon's Bribe https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=32914.msg470672#msg470672
« Reply #49 on: March 14, 2012, 05:35:35 am »
congratulations oin getting to the forge!
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Re: Charon's Bribe | Charon's Bribe https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=32914.msg470790#msg470790
« Reply #50 on: March 14, 2012, 03:06:46 pm »
My first card to go into the crucible is my first card to go into forge. This makes me feel like a proud father.  :')

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Re: Charon's Bribe | Charon's Bribe https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=32914.msg470799#msg470799
« Reply #51 on: March 14, 2012, 04:04:36 pm »
My first card to go into the crucible is my first card to go into forge. This makes me feel like a proud father.  :')
I don't want to know what a kind of creature you are, if Charon's Bribe is your baby :P

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Re: Charon's Bribe | Charon's Bribe https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=32914.msg477282#msg477282
« Reply #52 on: April 02, 2012, 09:04:21 pm »
Siiigh. I wasn't going to speak out on this card, but I feel it is OP despite all of your suposed justifications.
The real rpoblem with your arguements was that you set them on your own terms. 9 times out of 10 things probably aren't going to play out precisely as you expect them to.
The simple fact is that forcing me to pay the full cost of a creature when it dies is OP, and this is a sudden drop compared to Devourer and signifgantly more powerful in the short run.
I know you seem to insist that the relic is the main mechanic here, but it's not. Denial is the main mechanic. This encompasses both parts of the card, quanta destruction and relic.
Devourer siphons small amounts of quanta, as long as the opponent is running fractal dev's you likely have some quanta to use at your turn. This is sudden and steeper, particularly if used with mass CC. Which also has the added chance of denying the opponent a draw, depending on whether or not they lose all of their quanta.

I know you love the mechanic and so do many other people, but at the least I would make this so that it affects yourself as well.
It provides an indirect balance by presenting yourself a risk in using the card.
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Re: Charon's Bribe | Charon's Bribe https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=32914.msg477323#msg477323
« Reply #53 on: April 02, 2012, 10:43:07 pm »
the quanta drain is the main mechanic. the relic is a thematic addition to the denial mechanic.

I disagree with your analysis completely.

A devourer does not require another card to absorb quanta. period. it can be played the first turn and start to deny quanta before the opponent plays a single card.

This card requires 2 other cards to drain quanta. A kill card  (in element that would be plague, virus or aflatoxin). and an opponent creature.

Lets take your average creature, for arguments sake lets take it to be the elite mummy (5|3) for 3 :death.

best case scenario for this charon's bribe:
Turn 1: pay  4 :death for charon's bribe and a virus.
Turn 2: infect elite mummy with virus
Turn 5: mummy dies and opponent is forced to pay 3  :death.

equivalent with devourer:
pay 2 :darkness , wait 5 turns to absorb 5 quanta and gain 5  :darkness. No other cards involved, denial begins immediately, Quite possible you have prevented the opponent from playing needed cards.

Any faster combo with charon's bribe requires duo elements. Mass CC means nothing if the opponent has not played a mass number of creatures. (malignant cells dont cost anything so you cannot force the opponent to pay for their death) I in no way find this to be overpowered. Having this drain quanta from you makes about as much sense as having devoures drain from their owners.


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Re: Charon's Bribe | Charon's Bribe https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=32914.msg505285#msg505285
« Reply #54 on: May 29, 2012, 03:13:27 am »
I love the mechanic, but:
1- It should affect only the oponent's creatures, as the oponent in the actual way should pay for your dead creatures (ruby dragon+shockwave?). This way it would be a CC buff.
2- The relic stuff is just... no... Can't pay = HP lose would be much better.
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