Void Pillar | Void Tower

[Bloodshadow]

I do have a question after thinking it over.  Previously, you have defined void to be the antithesis of matter.  Why doesn't it destroy all types of quanta as opposed to the quanta of the opponent's mark?

The reason for this lies not within Void Pillar, but within other Void cards. When you play a card that costs "Void quanta", you give your opponent quanta instead. If random quanta are given, then there is a large chance that s/he cannot use it, which would rather ruin the point. To make sure that your opponent can actually use the quanta generated by your loss of "Void quanta", the simplest solution is to generate quanta matching your opponent's Mark. To reciprocate this, Void Pillars absorb quanta matching your opponent's Mark.

[dracomageat]

The pillar could easily be changed but to do so would void the symmetry of it all.

[Glitch]

It seems like you could just run a deck with a massive amount of these, and then eternity as your win condition.

I'd limit it to 6 per deck.

[Seiya]

Void pillars are really just effective against mono decks.

[QuantumT]

Void pillars are really just effective against mono decks.

If by effective you mean gamebreakingly overpowered, then yes.

If this card made it into the game, it's effect would be to deprive all mono decks of their mark.

[OldTrees]

Void pillars are really just effective against mono decks.

If by effective you mean gamebreakingly overpowered, then yes.

If this card made it into the game, it's effect would be to deprive all mono decks of their mark.

It is not that OP.
If an equal number of void and mono pillars are played then there is no net change and both players gain 1 quanta per turn from their marks.
If a pillar is balanced at 0quanta +1card then an antipillar is balanced at 0quanta +1card is it not?

How is it OP QuantumT? It looks objectively balanced or subpar because it creates a fair trade in the optimal situation.

[QuantumT]

Void pillars are really just effective against mono decks.

If by effective you mean gamebreakingly overpowered, then yes.

If this card made it into the game, it's effect would be to deprive all mono decks of their mark.

It is not that OP.
If an equal number of void and mono pillars are played then there is no net change and both players gain 1 quanta per turn from their marks.
If a pillar is balanced at 0quanta +1card then an antipillar is balanced at 0quanta +1card is it not?

How is it OP QuantumT? It looks objectively balanced or subpar because it creates a fair trade in the optimal situation.

Imagine now that I run, say 16 of them in my deck. I'm almost guaranteed to lock down your quanta with my 16 void pillars, and I'm left with 14 cards to do whatever I want with.

This is a bit sillier of an example, but just imagine I run a deck with 60 of them. I'm guaranteed to win against any and all monos whose marks match the deck.

[OldTrees]

Void pillars are really just effective against mono decks.

If by effective you mean gamebreakingly overpowered, then yes.

If this card made it into the game, it's effect would be to deprive all mono decks of their mark.

It is not that OP.
If an equal number of void and mono pillars are played then there is no net change and both players gain 1 quanta per turn from their marks.
If a pillar is balanced at 0quanta +1card then an antipillar is balanced at 0quanta +1card is it not?

How is it OP QuantumT? It looks objectively balanced or subpar because it creates a fair trade in the optimal situation.

Imagine now that I run, say 16 of them in my deck. I'm almost guaranteed to lock down your quanta with my 16 void pillars, and I'm left with 14 cards to do whatever I want with.

This is a bit sillier of an example, but just imagine I run a deck with 60 of them. I'm guaranteed to win against any and all monos whose marks match the deck.

In the silly example you are also guaranteed to lose against any other competitive deck type and 60 card mono decks that go second. (perfect counter but limited to only mono decks)

In the less silly example a deck with 16 void pillars would apply selective pressure on the metagame to encourage 16 pillar mono decks. If you can win with 14 cards so can they.

[Seiya]

And you're completely forgetting the possibility of a duo deck or a deck with a random mark type.

[Nepycros]

And yet people neglect to mention this is supposed to be played in correlation to other Void cards, which give quanta to the opponent. Sure, it can be used without the others, but let's face it, not using the Void cards, when using a Void pillar, is somewhat questionable in strategic set-ups. Why get pillars of something, and end up without the quanta to do anything else?

[Flayne]

I find that this card is more separate to the other void series cards, as it could introduce new mechanic-combos such as Void pillar + Fractal Pest. or void pillar + earthquakes = opponent quanta dry up.
instead if giving its taking, which is what i meant by it being separate from most of the others.

[OldTrees]

And yet people neglect to mention this is supposed to be played in correlation to other Void cards, which give quanta to the opponent. Sure, it can be used without the others, but let's face it, not using the Void cards, when using a Void pillar, is somewhat questionable in strategic set-ups. Why get pillars of something, and end up without the quanta to do anything else?

Actually Void Pillar is viable without other Void cards and that unintentional usage us what is probably OP. I am mostly playing devil's advocate with QuantumT because he has a really good point about how powerful of a stall card Void Pillar is.

There is a reason Bloodshadow made it only drain quanta of the opponent's mark. The question is: Was that nerf enough or does void pillar need to cost 1 stock quanta?