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Re: Trust | Trust https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=36953.msg466112#msg466112
« Reply #12 on: March 01, 2012, 01:18:41 am »
And to speed that up, hit it with Holy Light.  Time to give it a purpose besides mediocre healing.

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Re: Trust | Trust https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=36953.msg472118#msg472118
« Reply #13 on: March 18, 2012, 09:13:25 pm »
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Re: Trust | Trust https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=36953.msg472139#msg472139
« Reply #14 on: March 18, 2012, 10:54:50 pm »
I made a similar card Synergy (http://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php/topic,20711.0.html), but it's now collecting dust in the archive. We'll see how well yours does.
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Re: Trust | Trust https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=36953.msg472912#msg472912
« Reply #15 on: March 21, 2012, 07:14:50 am »
Might be a bit OP. Would probably need testing
This + divers + blessing. (+6 / +3) *2.
One question, how would this work with sky blitz? Would it benefit twice? That could get ugly in a hurry.
Especially with P.U.
Tricky to pull off, but there may be OTK potential there.

2 adj. pegs.
Buff non-trusted -> +3 +3 = 12 damage (6 each)
dive non-trusted -> *2 *2 = 48 damage (24 each)
dive trusted -> 72 damage (24 + 48)
sky blitz -> (48 + 96 damage) or (48 + 192) if double effect
---> 154 damage = 50% overkill OTK  or 240 = 140% overkill OTK for a 4 card 2 color combo.
total cost  4 :light+3 :light + 2 :light+2 :air+9 :air = 9 :light, 11 :air

This card gives a BIG bump to dive decks. The only trick is getting two adjacent divers.

Add in a P.U. and you get something even uglier... but that takes a trio to pull off so its not so bad
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Re: Trust | Trust https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=36953.msg472920#msg472920
« Reply #16 on: March 21, 2012, 09:33:05 am »
Might be a bit OP. Would probably need testing
This + divers + blessing. (+6 / +3) *2.
One question, how would this work with sky blitz? Would it benefit twice? That could get ugly in a hurry.
Especially with P.U.
Tricky to pull off, but there may be OTK potential there.

2 adj. pegs.
Buff non-trusted -> +3 +3 = 12 damage (6 each)
dive non-trusted -> *2 *2 = 48 damage (24 each)
dive trusted -> 72 damage (24 + 48)
sky blitz -> (48 + 96 damage) or (48 + 192) if double effect
---> 154 damage = 50% overkill OTK  or 240 = 140% overkill OTK for a 4 card 2 color combo.
total cost  4 :light+3 :light + 2 :light+2 :air+9 :air = 9 :light, 11 :air

This card gives a BIG bump to dive decks. The only trick is getting two adjacent divers.

Add in a P.U. and you get something even uglier... but that takes a trio to pull off so its not so bad
I agree that there would definitely have to be some nerfing of this card in further development, but right now I would like people to consider the other possibilities of card combinations despite its brokenness around dive and Skyblitz.

Thanks for the feedback.
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Re: Trust | Trust https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=36953.msg472953#msg472953
« Reply #17 on: March 21, 2012, 02:52:25 pm »
If I understand right the first 3 creatures  are not "adjacent" to each other, so the 4th creature actually can get the benefit of trust. So the above calculation for dive/blitz is not entirely accurate, but its point stil remains imo

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Re: Trust | Trust https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=36953.msg473004#msg473004
« Reply #18 on: March 21, 2012, 07:41:38 pm »
Keep in mind opponent can get massive CC with 1 card, too.
Is trust (card) affected by trust (ability)?
Is adjacent only in same row, or :

Code: [Select]
X   X   X   A   A   X   X   X
  X   X   A   B   A   X   X
X   X   X   A   A   X   X   X

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Re: Trust | Trust https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=36953.msg473022#msg473022
« Reply #19 on: March 21, 2012, 08:30:55 pm »
Keep in mind opponent can get massive CC with 1 card, too.
Is trust (card) affected by trust (ability)?
Is adjacent only in same row, or :

Code: [Select]
X   X   X   A   A   X   X   X
  X   X   A   B   A   X   X
X   X   X   A   A   X   X   X

B : trusted
A : affected
You are correct with your code. -All- adjacent creatures affect the creature with 'trust.'
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Re: Trust | Trust https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=36953.msg473046#msg473046
« Reply #20 on: March 21, 2012, 11:29:34 pm »
I agree that there would definitely have to be some nerfing of this card in further development,
I disagree. The potential for CC to ruin it in a buffing situation is no less the the potential for it to work. When playtesting Synergy, we (Zblader, OT and I) determined that the mechanic is more suited to killing the opponent's creatures. This would be even more so with yours, as it affects adjacent creatures.
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Re: Trust | Trust https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=36953.msg473047#msg473047
« Reply #21 on: March 21, 2012, 11:30:41 pm »
Would trust and chaos seed/pandemonium rerandomize?
What would happen with trust and the new singularity?

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Re: Trust | Trust https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=36953.msg473061#msg473061
« Reply #22 on: March 22, 2012, 12:46:45 am »
Would trust and chaos seed/pandemonium rerandomize?
Pandemonium will work just as massive CC work - the effect will occur as many times as the number of creatures touching it including one for itself.

Quite a powerfully interesting combo with Aflatoxin and pandemonium.

What would happen with trust and the new singularity?
??? Uhm I suppose it would work the same as when you use bioluminescence. It could definitely get really awkward with a lot of Singularities with Trust. Massive amount of fail or massive amount of win against anything with a lot of SoSacs stacked.
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