Succubus | Succubus

[Anarook]

It would sound like you're trying to overcomplicate an idea.

What if it did something like:

You've now made it two separate effects instead of one.
The intent is for it to be part of the same effect.

[Drake_XIV]

I was unaware of your intent to keep it part of one effect.  If anything, it was just an example to see if it were something worth pursuing.

[Hyroen]

This should not be stickied.

[Anarook]

Of course it should be stickied D=<
In other news - not sure where to go with this yet.

[serprex]

Instead of stepping on Arctic Squid's toes, why not change Charm to let one make use of enemy actives? Attacking the opponent would make it a weak purple nymph

[skyironsword]

Instead of stepping on Arctic Squid's toes, why not change Charm to let one make use of enemy actives? Attacking the opponent would make it a weak purple nymph

It's a squid. It has no toes.

[russianspy1234]

Instead of stepping on Arctic Squid's toes, why not change Charm to let one make use of enemy actives? Attacking the opponent would make it a weak purple nymph

well using a creatures active as an ability has been done like a dozen times.

[Anarook]

Since I really want this to work out. Suggestions - need feedback:
Increase skill cost by 1.
Limit skill to one target at a time.
Limit skill to one target at a time and grant control of its ability.
Stat change.
Cost change.
Something else?

[Pella]

It would be balanced if Charm could only apply to only 1 creature at a time. So if you charm another creature, the previously charmed one should be released.
Because in it's current form, it's OP to the Warden family.

Disagree.  Unbuffed, the Wardens never attack.  They only use an active ability, on which this card has no effect.

[Submachine]

It would be balanced if Charm could only apply to only 1 creature at a time. So if you charm another creature, the previously charmed one should be released.
Because in it's current form, it's OP to the Warden family.

Disagree.  Unbuffed, the Wardens never attack.  They only use an active ability, on which this card has no effect.

You are just strenghtening my point.

Wardens	Succubus
HP: 3|6	HP: 5
Attack: 0, also 0 if buffed and using skill	Attack: 4|6
Ability: in-element. Targets 1 creature. Lasts 1 round.	Ability: off-element. Targets multiple creatures. Lasts 3 rounds.
Special: bonus. If buffed, and the target is non-airborne, damage is dealt to it.	Special: flaw. If a charmed creature is damaged, charm is over.

That's 4-2 for the succubus. Changes needed IMO: make it target only 1 creature at a time and decrease its attack.

[Anarook]

I continue to fail to understand why you compare this to warden - it's far closer to Squid/octopus in effect.

[Pineapple]

Wardens	Weight	Succubus	Weight
HP: 3	+1	HP: 5	+2
Attack: 0, also 0 if buffed and using skill	+0	Attack: 4	+4
Primary Cost: 1	-1	Primary Cost: 5	-5
Ability: in-element.	+0	Ability: off-element.	-2
Targets 1 creature. Lasts 1 round.	+1	Targets multiple creatures. Lasts 3 rounds.	+3
Special: IT CAN KILL THINGS; TURNS DELAYED = INFINITY.. If buffed, and the target is non-airborne, damage is dealt to it.	+5	Special: None.	+0
Secondary Cost: Special requires buff, and power scales on ATK added by buff.	-3	Secondary Cost: If a charmed creature is damaged, charm is over.	-1
Net Weight...	3	Net Weight...	2

FTFY.

Basically, what I'm showing is that making a table doesn't make it any less subjective and opinionated. And seriously, just compare it to Squid.