Shift Shield | Shift Shield

[choongmyoung]

If this reduces psion's damage, It should reduce damage from spells.
How about Fire Bolt? Is this reduces 1 damage per bolt, or just reduces 1 damage for a whole bolts?

[russianspy1234]

If this reduces psion's damage, It should reduce damage from spells.
How about Fire Bolt? Is this reduces 1 damage per bolt, or just reduces 1 damage for a whole bolts?

it reduces damage from attacks, spells are not attacks.  I thought about making it reduce spell damage as well, but decided not to specifically because of bolts, which do multiple instances of 3 (or 2) damage which would make this a bit too powerful.

[Rutarete]

I think it's a pretty good card, it has several uses. Aether could benefit from having it, I think.

[choongmyoung]

If this reduces psion's damage, It should reduce damage from spells.
How about Fire Bolt? Is this reduces 1 damage per bolt, or just reduces 1 damage for a whole bolts?

it reduces damage from attacks, spells are not attacks.  I thought about making it reduce spell damage as well, but decided not to specifically because of bolts, which do multiple instances of 3 (or 2) damage which would make this a bit too powerful.

Meh, it doesn't make any sence.
SoW/Psion do not attack, they play spell. Psion attacking and Lightning playing are identical.
Psion is designed to avoid shields, and Shift Shield is like now, Psion should avoid this.

[russianspy1234]

If this reduces psion's damage, It should reduce damage from spells.
How about Fire Bolt? Is this reduces 1 damage per bolt, or just reduces 1 damage for a whole bolts?

it reduces damage from attacks, spells are not attacks.  I thought about making it reduce spell damage as well, but decided not to specifically because of bolts, which do multiple instances of 3 (or 2) damage which would make this a bit too powerful.

Meh, it doesn't make any sence.
SoW/Psion do not attack, they play spell. Psion attacking and Lightning playing are identical.
Psion is designed to avoid shields, and Shift Shield is like now, Psion should avoid this.

Sundial stops Psion, so there is at least some attacking involved.  ideally yes, reducing damage from spells would be good, but balancing that is a big issue, even without bolts.  the main purpose of this spell is to give mono-aether a solid use for quint, without it also blocking SoW damage, it can't accomplish that purpose very well.

[choongmyoung]

If this reduces psion's damage, It should reduce damage from spells.
How about Fire Bolt? Is this reduces 1 damage per bolt, or just reduces 1 damage for a whole bolts?

it reduces damage from attacks, spells are not attacks.  I thought about making it reduce spell damage as well, but decided not to specifically because of bolts, which do multiple instances of 3 (or 2) damage which would make this a bit too powerful.

Meh, it doesn't make any sence.
SoW/Psion do not attack, they play spell. Psion attacking and Lightning playing are identical.
Psion is designed to avoid shields, and Shift Shield is like now, Psion should avoid this.

Sundial stops Psion, so there is at least some attacking involved.  ideally yes, reducing damage from spells would be good, but balancing that is a big issue, even without bolts.  the main purpose of this spell is to give mono-aether a solid use for quint, without it also blocking SoW damage, it can't accomplish that purpose very well.

Well, blocking SoW damage is clearly not a good design.
And player playing spells are also "attack". Sundials stops "creature attacking".

[Drake_XIV]

If this reduces psion's damage, It should reduce damage from spells.
How about Fire Bolt? Is this reduces 1 damage per bolt, or just reduces 1 damage for a whole bolts?

it reduces damage from attacks, spells are not attacks.  I thought about making it reduce spell damage as well, but decided not to specifically because of bolts, which do multiple instances of 3 (or 2) damage which would make this a bit too powerful.

Meh, it doesn't make any sence.
SoW/Psion do not attack, they play spell. Psion attacking and Lightning playing are identical.
Psion is designed to avoid shields, and Shift Shield is like now, Psion should avoid this.

Sundial stops Psion, so there is at least some attacking involved.  ideally yes, reducing damage from spells would be good, but balancing that is a big issue, even without bolts.  the main purpose of this spell is to give mono-aether a solid use for quint, without it also blocking SoW damage, it can't accomplish that purpose very well.

It can accomplish the task quite well as it is.

This probably should not decrease Psion's damage unless you want to decrease ALL formes of damage.  Otherwise, this currently reads as a standard DR shield that has benefits against Immaterial, which is pretty good already.

[russianspy1234]

Well, blocking SoW damage is clearly not a good design.
And player playing spells are also "attack". Sundials stops "creature attacking".

Why?  Not saying I can't be convinced, but it doesn't seem hugely unconvetional to me.  Spells are not "attacks" maybe in the english sense of the word, but pretty much every TCG ever makes a distinction between spells that deal damage and creatures attacking, even if they have creatures that deal their damage as spell damage.  It allows for multiple layers of reduction or prevention as well as variety.  Sundial already allows for affecting creatures that are otherwise unaffected (spell damage, momentum, freedom) so this is not completely without precedent.

It can accomplish the task quite well as it is.

This probably should not decrease Psion's damage unless you want to decrease ALL formes of damage.  Otherwise, this currently reads as a standard DR shield that has benefits against Immaterial, which is pretty good already.

The problem is, especially now that SoW has been changed, is that many decks include it.  Thus, if this shield does not affect wisdomed creatures, it is ineffectual against aether decks, and may in fact help other decks that run SoW for the non spell damage attack boost.

[Drake_XIV]

You're right, it does have precedent.  Of which states that spell damage would not bypass.  Your comparison to Dial is moot as Dial isn't a shield and this is an issue of shield DR.

We also see other moments where the effects of shields would otherwise stop a SoW creature, such as a SoW Elite Phase Dragon against Gravity Shield.

As an alternate, make it reflective then?  And last I checked, Quinting a creature that did have SoW doesn't make it deal spell damage.

[russianspy1234]

You're right, it does have precedent.  Of which states that spell damage would not bypass.  Your comparison to Dial is moot as Dial isn't a shield and this is an issue of shield DR.

We also see other moments where the effects of shields would otherwise stop a SoW creature, such as a SoW Elite Phase Dragon against Gravity Shield.

As an alternate, make it reflective then?  And last I checked, Quinting a creature that did have SoW doesn't make it deal spell damage.

reflection makes it boring and too similar to other shields. the whole point is it is stronger against immaterial creatures/weapons and doesnt care if it is spell damage or not. i originally made this card before SoW came out, and when it did i had to decide on what to do about it, making it still reduce felt like the better option.

[Drake_XIV]

Then why not just expand it from attacks?

"Shield: Damage from all sources are reduced by one, 3 if the source cannot be targeted."

The wording also negates some damage from spells without killing them right off as well as being capable of stopping damage.

Poison would be a pre-existing condition and shouldn't be affected by the Shield.

[russianspy1234]

Then why not just expand it from attacks?

"Shield: Damage from all sources are reduced by one, 3 if the source cannot be targeted."

The wording also negates some damage from spells without killing them right off as well as being capable of stopping damage.

Poison would be a pre-existing condition and shouldn't be affected by the Shield.

fire bolt deals multiple instances of 3 damage, this would reduce it to multiple instances of two damage... i was thinking that might be too strong, then again it might not be.  a shield that reduces damage from spells without completely negating them would be a nice change of pace.