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Re: Primal Quantum | Primal Quantum https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=26935.msg342453#msg342453
« Reply #12 on: May 29, 2011, 02:13:09 am »
I much prefer the current idea instead.

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Re: Primal Quantum | Primal Quantum https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=26935.msg342491#msg342491
« Reply #13 on: May 29, 2011, 03:08:22 am »
Agreed, keep current idea.  I'd suggest making it free to deploy but make it 2 :entropy to generate.  For a card that can generate a pillar every turn, it's a fair price to pay for saving some card space.

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Re: Primal Quantum | Primal Quantum https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=26935.msg342496#msg342496
« Reply #14 on: May 29, 2011, 03:22:04 am »
The other idea is kind of already found in Harmonic Pillar/Tower, IIRC.  This is good, though.  Also, staggeringly good art. :)
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Re: Primal Quantum | Primal Quantum https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=26935.msg343181#msg343181
« Reply #15 on: May 30, 2011, 01:52:52 pm »
still looking at revamp options as i am really not a fan of paying 2x quanta per pillar.

how about it generating quanta for each card in your hand based on their elements?  so if you have four cards, one from life, two from time and one from aether, it will produce :time :life :aether or if you had five cards, three life and two aether it will produce :life :aether .
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Re: Primal Quantum | Primal Quantum https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=26935.msg343221#msg343221
« Reply #16 on: May 30, 2011, 03:17:25 pm »
Agreed, keep current idea.  I'd suggest making it free to deploy but make it 2 :entropy to generate.  For a card that can generate a pillar every turn, it's a fair price to pay for saving some card space.
just 1 :entropy for pillar mitosis? Definitely needs a cost increase.
If you put mitosis on a RoL, it's free to activate.  I think the cast cost of this card may need to be 2 :entropy but I would not change the activation cost and I like the ability as it is.  I would like to see OldTrees' thoughts on balancing this card, if it doesn't conflict with this being an entry in the QG competition.

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Re: Primal Quantum | Primal Quantum https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=26935.msg343229#msg343229
« Reply #17 on: May 30, 2011, 03:27:59 pm »
The upped version is too powerful. Starting from turn 3 it goes even, turn 4 on it gains esponentially. The unupped might be intresting.
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Re: Primal Quantum | Primal Quantum https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=26935.msg343261#msg343261
« Reply #18 on: May 30, 2011, 04:06:56 pm »
The upped version is too powerful. Starting from turn 3 it goes even, turn 4 on it gains esponentially. The unupped might be intresting.
But then you will either need an Entropy Mark or a bunch of Amethyst Pillars to utilize this card to its fullest extent. Generating Pillars for other elements other than Entropy is fine, as you will need to draw this AND a pillar of the element your deck is based off of, but if one is running a mono Entropy then this card is OP.

I suggest the revamp to be: ":entropy [insert ability name]: Generate three random pillars not matching your mark."
I took out the pendulums because I think this card is meant to be a new way to run rainbows, not duos. This random pillar generation is nowhere near OP because you only have so many permanent slots to be filled up with pillars.
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Re: Primal Quantum | Primal Quantum https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=26935.msg343269#msg343269
« Reply #19 on: May 30, 2011, 04:16:13 pm »
The upped version is too powerful. Starting from turn 3 it goes even, turn 4 on it gains esponentially. The unupped might be intresting.
But then you will either need an Entropy Mark or a bunch of Amethyst Pillars to utilize this card to its fullest extent. Generating Pillars for other elements other than Entropy is fine, as you will need to draw this AND a pillar of the element your deck is based off of, but if one is running a mono Entropy then this card is OP.
The problem with that card is that, if you play them off of mark, it generates a lot of quanta over time. It's n*(n+1)/2 quanta, where n is the number of turns. It's a LOT of quanta. Think bolt stall... It might be even worth of a whole FG deck if it comes out! It's strong and fast. I like the idea, but it needs to cost a lot more.
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Re: Primal Quantum | Primal Quantum https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=26935.msg343289#msg343289
« Reply #20 on: May 30, 2011, 04:42:14 pm »
BTW, if you do get to remaking the card, make sure to delete the extra line that caused the text to shift up into an awkward spacing.

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Re: Primal Quantum | Primal Quantum https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=26935.msg343300#msg343300
« Reply #21 on: May 30, 2011, 04:54:18 pm »
I would like to see OldTrees' thoughts on balancing this card, if it doesn't conflict with this being an entry in the QG competition.
I do not have time to balance all of the submissions therefore I do not have time to balance any.
However I do have time to comment on design.

Pillar Mitosis is a good idea. (I would have excepted a more expensive non random one in Life but this seems better.)
When balance is in doubt use math.
T1: 1 Primal Quantum (less random hence easier calculations) + 1 Entropy Tower
Eot1:  :entropy [-3 vs 2 towers]
T2:  :entropy: Graft a random Entropy Tower
Eot2:  :entropy :entropy :entropy [-3 vs 2 towers]
Eot3:  :entropy :entropy :entropy :entropy :entropy :entropy [-2 vs 2 towers]
Eot4: 10 :entropy [+0 vs 2 towers]
Eot5: 15 :entropy [+3 vs 2 towers]
Eot6: 21 :entropy [+7 vs 2 towers]
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Re: Primal Quantum | Primal Quantum https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=26935.msg343323#msg343323
« Reply #22 on: May 30, 2011, 05:46:17 pm »
hmm wow, after 6 turns the game could be almost over if there is a rush deck involved, and the difference between using this card on 1 tower and using 2 towers is only 7 :entropy , that doesnt seem OP, especially considering the early investment slows down your own attack

if anything this now seems underpowered after looking at the math
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Re: Primal Quantum | Primal Quantum https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=26935.msg343336#msg343336
« Reply #23 on: May 30, 2011, 06:07:52 pm »
Imagine combining this with my idea.
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