Morphic Clay | Morphic Clay

[OdinVanguard]

can you copy dimensional shield?

Yes, though I hadn't thought of how broken that would be. I've considered making it not able to target shields but that doesn't get rid of the fact you can copy Sundial instead. I'm considering adding a modifier that causes timed permanents to be copies with a 'timer' of zero, or limiting this to targeting enemy permanents.

Expanding on what foxrain asked, what happens when you target weapons or shields in general? What about mark? Can you even target the marks?

Weapons and shield would go to the appropriate slot for 1 turn (overriding any existing equipment) and then turn back into Morphic Clay. Copied marks would work the same way playing a mark card (winnable from tournaments) would; it'd basically act as another pillar until next turn.

One thing that could help with that would be to have this inherit the countdown of timed permanents and / or stack size of stacked shields (and weapons if that ever happens). So copying a sundial or phase shield would mean the clay would self destruct eventually.
Moreover, it becomes pointless to target your own phase shield because you would not get any extra time out of it... although you could copy your opponent's in a pinch.

[OldTrees]

One thing that could help with that would be to have this inherit the countdown of timed permanents and / or stack size of stacked shields (and weapons if that ever happens). So copying a sundial or phase shield would mean the clay would self destruct eventually.
Moreover, it becomes pointless to target your own phase shield because you would not get any extra time out of it... although you could copy your opponent's in a pinch.

I read it as doing something similar to that already. The card text reads it coping a permanent not merely acting like a fresh version of the permanent card. As such it is more akin to PU than to Mitosis. As such, copying a shield would include the timer and might include the stack however it would lose that timer/stack when it reverts. Thus you wouldn't copy a sundial nor your own shield, and an opponent's Dim Shield could only be copied for 2 turns. However Bone Wall might be nice.

[Espithel]

What happens if this becomes a copy of a morphic clay?

[andretimpa]

What happens if this becomes a copy of a morphic clay?

You just wasted one

[FunkyFox]

i fail to see how copying your own dimm shield would be OP. it would only "extend" the life of your shield for 1 turn. and even then, it costs some mana to do so in the first place. i actually really like this idea a lot
thumbs up from me

[OldTrees]

i fail to see how copying your own dimm shield would be OP. it would only "extend" the life of your shield for 1 turn. and even then, it costs some mana to do so in the first place. i actually really like this idea a lot
thumbs up from me

The N+1th turn of Dim Shield is worth more than the Nth turn of Dim Shield. Whether this means copying your Dim Shield would be OP or not is harder to answer. However it boils down to turns 19-24 of Dim Shield is worth more than the cost of 2 Dim Shields(which is in turn more than the cost of 6 uses of Morphic Clay). By A>B, B>C thus A>C, we can conclude it would be OP at the current cost.

[artimies7]

i fail to see how copying your own dimm shield would be OP. it would only "extend" the life of your shield for 1 turn. and even then, it costs some mana to do so in the first place. i actually really like this idea a lot
thumbs up from me

The N+1th turn of Dim Shield is worth more than the Nth turn of Dim Shield. Whether this means copying your Dim Shield would be OP or not is harder to answer. However it boils down to turns 19-24 of Dim Shield is worth more than the cost of 2 Dim Shields(which is in turn more than the cost of 6 uses of Morphic Clay). By A>B, B>C thus A>C, we can conclude it would be OP at the current cost.

Dim shields cost 6  | 5  for 3 turns. This costs 3  | 2  + 1  for 1 turn, added onto whatever the previous count was. Does the dual element cost make any difference? Should the ability cost or the card summoning cost be increased to make this card more balanced?

Say, it occurs to me. If one has two Morphic Clays out on the field and one copies a Dim shield (or really any other timed card) for one turn, could the other one copy the first copy the second turn? You'd have one Clay copy the other indefinitely, or am I misunderstanding the chain of events here? If I'm not, you might want to add in a catch where one Morphic Clay cannot copy another Clay that's already copied something else.

[OdinVanguard]

If dim shield can be extended +1 turn by this, then Sundial copying is also an option by the way.
It looks like the card was changed to only work on opponent, however, so I'm not really worried about it now.

Right now, sundial copy wouldn't be worth it since it would require a quartet... if cardinal / spirit / material pillars make it into cygnia though (and they seem to be well on their way) then the strategy would be viable via cardinal pillars and light mark. It would give a very nice way to rapidly draw through your deck while the opponent is restrained from attack.
In conjunction with phase shield, this would have been a pretty potent tactic since it would help ensure you could chain your phase shields without leaving gaps.

[ZephyrPhantom]

i fail to see how copying your own dimm shield would be OP. it would only "extend" the life of your shield for 1 turn. and even then, it costs some mana to do so in the first place. i actually really like this idea a lot
thumbs up from me

The N+1th turn of Dim Shield is worth more than the Nth turn of Dim Shield. Whether this means copying your Dim Shield would be OP or not is harder to answer. However it boils down to turns 19-24 of Dim Shield is worth more than the cost of 2 Dim Shields(which is in turn more than the cost of 6 uses of Morphic Clay). By A>B, B>C thus A>C, we can conclude it would be OP at the current cost.

Dim shields cost 6  | 5  for 3 turns. This costs 3  | 2  + 1  for 1 turn, added onto whatever the previous count was. Does the dual element cost make any difference? Should the ability cost or the card summoning cost be increased to make this card more balanced?

Say, it occurs to me. If one has two Morphic Clays out on the field and one copies a Dim shield (or really any other timed card) for one turn, could the other one copy the first copy the second turn? You'd have one Clay copy the other indefinitely, or am I misunderstanding the chain of events here? If I'm not, you might want to add in a catch where one Morphic Clay cannot copy another Clay that's already copied something else.

The first copy would be replaced by the second copied shield so that chain would never occur.

Discussion here seems to indicate the opponent-only change is still for the better, but if more people feel non-opponent targeting is balanced I'll change it back to its original version.

Submitted to Crucible.

[OldTrees]

i fail to see how copying your own dimm shield would be OP. it would only "extend" the life of your shield for 1 turn. and even then, it costs some mana to do so in the first place. i actually really like this idea a lot
thumbs up from me

The N+1th turn of Dim Shield is worth more than the Nth turn of Dim Shield. Whether this means copying your Dim Shield would be OP or not is harder to answer. However it boils down to turns 19-24 of Dim Shield is worth more than the cost of 2 Dim Shields(which is in turn more than the cost of 6 uses of Morphic Clay). By A>B, B>C thus A>C, we can conclude it would be OP at the current cost.

Dim shields cost 6  | 5  for 3 turns. This costs 3  | 2  + 1  for 1 turn, added onto whatever the previous count was. Does the dual element cost make any difference? Should the ability cost or the card summoning cost be increased to make this card more balanced?

Say, it occurs to me. If one has two Morphic Clays out on the field and one copies a Dim shield (or really any other timed card) for one turn, could the other one copy the first copy the second turn? You'd have one Clay copy the other indefinitely, or am I misunderstanding the chain of events here? If I'm not, you might want to add in a catch where one Morphic Clay cannot copy another Clay that's already copied something else.

The first copy would be replaced by the second copied shield so that chain would never occur.

Discussion here seems to indicate the opponent-only change is still for the better, but if more people feel non-opponent targeting is balanced I'll change it back to its original version.

Submitted to Crucible.

I see no need to make it opponent-only. Rather just make it "copy the permanent" rather than "copy the card" (ie. copy the timer for the duration of the copying). This still lets you copy your hourglass but makes it so you could but wouldn't copy your Dim Shield.

[ZephyrPhantom]

Seems sound to me.

Card Updated:
Reverted to non-opponent version. Notes added to clarify that timer is copied as well.