Lava | Lava

[ratcharmer]

Wait, I may have misinterpreted this card earlier.

Is it that when you play the card it creates a single column of lava, that then generates more lava on subsequent turns until it eventually covers the whole board, or is it a single column of lava that moves from one spot on the board to another?

[miniwally]

Wait, I may have misinterpreted this card earlier.

Is it that when you play the card it creates a single column of lava, that then generates more lava on subsequent turns until it eventually covers the whole board, or is it a single column of lava that moves from one spot on the board to another?

Single Column, which way did you intepret it as?

[ratcharmer]

the other way, no wonder I thought it was OP. I was confused by references to lava hitting the whole board.

I think I'll vote for this now.

[miniwally]

You just turned it into a first place tie, thanks , yeh the other way is incredibly OP otherwise how will anyone play this.

[ratcharmer]

Hi,

Earlier you asked if I could try to provide some insight on ways to improve the card . . . and honestly at this point I think my advice is not to change anything.

People obviously like the card (last I checked it was winning in the polls, and in the past it's always ranked highly) and changing things this late in the game could confuse things.

Hope that helps

[miniwally]

So now it's in the forge any more suggestions towards it?

[Kuroaitou]

So now it's in the forge any more suggestions towards it?

Congrats!

I think the next step is to make the description more concise with the correct font. Try changing the wording to:

"Kills any creature except airbourne &
Fire creatures w/ Lava. Lava travels
from West to East. Absorb 
per turn in play."

I forgot the exact font that was used for the majority of the cards (Daulphi?), but look it up somewhere on these forums and it should be there. Otherwise, keep the mechanic - I'm going to be voting for this card to move up to the Forge methinks.

[miniwally]

Will it kill crimson dragons?

No why would it they're fire creatures aren't they and airborne.

[johannhowitzer]

This card's been nagging at the back of my brain for a while, dunno what took me so long to bring this stuff up:

The board's "columns" are loosely defined, a column could be interpreted a number of ways.  How many columns are there, and what cards do they include?  When you answer this, it should also be in the description.  Or maybe try to get Zanz to make the rows line up, heh!

Even as simple damage, this card has an advantage over Firestorm - it can hit immaterial creatures, like Flooding can.  As instant-kill, it will wipe the entire enemy field clean eventually, assuming your opponent has no Boneyard.

Combine this with PA and a form of stalling - Sundials, Phase Shields, Diamond Shield, even most forms of healing - and it will be absolutely brutal against any creature-based deck - every basic rush, every standard entropy or time rainbow, every fractal deck... Bone Wall would be a nice choice in combination with this too.

I rarely say this, and I never say it lightly - this card seems OP.  It breaks too many deck concepts, even with its slow-acting-ness.  Changing it to damage would balance it a bit better, can't go over 3 though, since it ignores quint.

[Kael Hate]

Even as simple damage, this card has an advantage over Firestorm - it can hit immaterial creatures, like Flooding can. 

Just a note. Flooding does not affect Immaterial Creatures.

[johannhowitzer]

Thanks for the heads-up - can't say I've ever run Flooding myself - except a failed anti-EP deck - and I haven't come up against Flooding while running quinted stuff outside the home row.

Then... making it damage would be a serious nerf.  As instadeath it does still seem OP even if quint nullifies it, since tons of decks don't incorporate quint.  Flooding is balanced for the simple reason that it only cripples your opponent's upper population limit, while this wipes the field clean.

I assume when it's made its trip across the board, this permanent expires?  The description and notes don't specify - my first impression was that it bounced back and forth endlessly.

[miniwally]

Thanks for the heads-up - can't say I've ever run Flooding myself - except a failed anti-EP deck - and I haven't come up against Flooding while running quinted stuff outside the home row.

Then... making it damage would be a serious nerf.  As instadeath it does still seem OP even if quint nullifies it, since tons of decks don't incorporate quint.  Flooding is balanced for the simple reason that it only cripples your opponent's upper population limit, while this wipes the field clean.

I assume when it's made its trip across the board, this permanent expires?  The description and notes don't specify - my first impression was that it bounced back and forth endlessly.

Yeh it expires, there's problems with the space given on the cards though and I thought if I worded it like flooding it would make sense.