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Re: Idea Guru | Idea Guru https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=44464.msg1165410#msg1165410
« Reply #12 on: November 09, 2014, 08:34:51 pm »
Relevant reason for me to see this topic in the humor section: http://elementscommunity.org/forum/humor/drake-i-drake-ii-o-retorno/
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Re: Idea Guru | Idea Guru https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=44464.msg1165414#msg1165414
« Reply #13 on: November 09, 2014, 08:51:28 pm »
This is only humorous in that the theme uses a forum position.  The practicality and use of the card is very real, and actually quite creative.  This gives power to cards whose attack is significantly less than its cost, often due to stress of HP or ability value.  Funnily enough, some cards may break (Phase Dragon) and some are already that much broken (Graboid).
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Re: Idea Guru | Idea Guru https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=44464.msg1165431#msg1165431
« Reply #14 on: November 09, 2014, 09:29:24 pm »
Arguably, it won't be /broken/ because you'd need to play this card to /break/ it. Which kind of balances it out.

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Re: Idea Guru | Idea Guru https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=44464.msg1168336#msg1168336
« Reply #15 on: November 25, 2014, 10:58:26 pm »
hmmm... 2 :gravity armagios and free voodoo dolls... perhaps there is rail gun potential... Also, free dune stalkers and death stalkers. Its just begging for the sopatal combo there.
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Re: Idea Guru | Idea Guru https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=44464.msg1168338#msg1168338
« Reply #16 on: November 25, 2014, 11:20:19 pm »
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Re: Idea Guru | Idea Guru https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=44464.msg1168353#msg1168353
« Reply #17 on: November 26, 2014, 12:18:47 am »
Uh... card text is Grammatically wrong.
"All creatures now cost the sum of their attack and the sum of the ability"
but the example is "a 0|6 steam machine now costs 2 water"

2 water is just the affiliation of the original summoning cost and the price of the ability.
The true sum of their attack and the cost of the ability for steam machine would be 2 fire.

This -can't- be negated by sanctuary unless the opponent has sanctuary, and it would only be negated for the opponent. Typically with most cards, having sanctuary negate this would hurt more than help except in light mono's.

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Re: Idea Guru | Idea Guru https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=44464.msg1168356#msg1168356
« Reply #18 on: November 26, 2014, 12:30:49 am »
Uh... card text is Grammatically wrong.
"All creatures now cost the sum of their attack and the sum of the ability"
but the example is "a 0|6 steam machine now costs 2 water"

2 water is just the affiliation of the original summoning cost and the price of the ability.
The true sum of their attack and the cost of the ability for steam machine would be 2 fire.

This -can't- be negated by sanctuary unless the opponent has sanctuary, and it would only be negated for the opponent. Typically with most cards, having sanctuary negate this would hurt more than help except in light mono's.



That's quite the nitpick.

The nature of the ability is a matter of interpretation in this case. As a Water creature, there is no reason for Steam Machine's cost to change from Water. Additionally, "the cost of the ability" explicitly pertained to the amount of quanta used. Not the type of quanta used.

Of course, if it is really an issue, it can be reworded accordingly. Provided a succinct rewording can be given.

As for Sanctuary... you're just saying that it can't be negated by Sanctuary unless a player has Sanctuary. I'm confused by the need to bring this point up.


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Re: Idea Guru | Idea Guru https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=44464.msg1168365#msg1168365
« Reply #19 on: November 26, 2014, 01:51:41 am »
Previously the discussion for sanctuary was quoted wrong. They forgot to say "...alter quanta on opponents turn" and that important piece wasn't discussed.
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Re: Idea Guru | Idea Guru https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=44464.msg1168369#msg1168369
« Reply #20 on: November 26, 2014, 02:40:56 am »
Previously the discussion for sanctuary was quoted wrong. They forgot to say "...alter quanta on opponents turn" and that important piece wasn't discussed.

... sorry?

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Re: Idea Guru | Idea Guru https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=44464.msg1168390#msg1168390
« Reply #21 on: November 26, 2014, 08:36:52 am »
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