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Re: Flying Sword | Flying Blade https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=19180.msg416444#msg416444
« Reply #60 on: October 27, 2011, 10:23:46 am »
Mmm good card idea but i feel it is kinda of overpowered. Animate weapon is a very powerful card that allows you to have multiple of very powerful cards. (weapons have extremely good cost to damage ratio/abilities) It was balanced by itself by needing a 2 card combo to make it happen. With this you can essentially bypass that balance granted it does have an element cost.

but a deck with 6 Long Bows 6 Flying Blade 6 Owls eye +12 Air Towers is going to be a pretty crazy rush i believe or even 6 Long Bows 6 Flying Blades 12 Aether Pends 6 Fractal Air mark Fractal Long Bows
Isn't it a self animate weapon only?
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Re: Flying Sword | Flying Blade https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=19180.msg416449#msg416449
« Reply #61 on: October 27, 2011, 11:20:35 am »
The flying version of the sword should have  :air : turns into a weapon again.
As it has been suggested already.

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Re: Flying Sword | Flying Blade https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=19180.msg416614#msg416614
« Reply #62 on: October 27, 2011, 07:52:42 pm »
Mmm good card idea but i feel it is kinda of overpowered. Animate weapon is a very powerful card that allows you to have multiple of very powerful cards. (weapons have extremely good cost to damage ratio/abilities) It was balanced by itself by needing a 2 card combo to make it happen. With this you can essentially bypass that balance granted it does have an element cost.

but a deck with 6 Long Bows 6 Flying Blade 6 Owls eye +12 Air Towers is going to be a pretty crazy rush i believe or even 6 Long Bows 6 Flying Blades 12 Aether Pends 6 Fractal Air mark Fractal Long Bows
Isn't it a self animate weapon only?
Currently, it's Animate-on-a-stick.

While the deck suggested would be effective, it does require at least 2 turns to get the Flying Blade combination running (Play a Flying Blade, Animate next turn, repeat), which makes it slower than other rushes and it's also vulnerable to PC and CC.  A Flying Sword deck disrupted early in the game can slow it down for a while - even if you have Flying Swords already out, it's results in one less weapon you're able to play.  Fractal Flying Swords is technically equivalent to a Fractal BL or Dragon OTK when it occurs, IMHO - if you haven't been able to counter it yet, chances are you were counterdecked or getting back draws.

To be fair, most weapons that wield repeatable spells are costed higher than their counterparts or in a different element. I'm considering raising the ability cost to 2. so I've added a poll about that. I made a more subtle nerf as well - lowered animated HP to 3 (both versions), so it can be killed by RoF.

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Re: Flying Sword | Flying Blade https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=19180.msg419556#msg419556
« Reply #63 on: November 02, 2011, 08:50:48 pm »
As an auto flying weapon skill, this card counts as a creature. Weapons are more powerfull than creatures because you can have only 1 at the same time or you must use a flying weapon card yo put another one.
This card is a creature which 1st turn (or more if you want to) is played in the weapon slot.

Conclution: It's cost/damage is well put there.

Comment: It seems there will be more powerfull cards in the game which will make it more strategic, how about adding a 2nd ability to the card?
A second ability seems unnecessary as it would probably:
a) Mess with the balance.
b) Mess with the simplicity of the card, which IMHO is part of it's charm and theme. It animates weapons with the magical winds provided by the False Gods of Air imbued in it's hidden gemstone, and it probably won't get much better than what it is now.

Very nice concept. Maybe second weapons will boost monos. Air unuped is overpowered because of animate weapon.
It takes 1 extra turn to play this as a 4 ATK creature at the total cost of 3 :air (And then needs to wait another turn to use it's ability again), which is pretty decent considering it also can animate other weapons, which in turn is also a relatively slow process until you get multiple Flying Swords on the field.

It's damage/cost ratio as a weapon is inferior to all of the current Other weapons (including mark bonuses).


As for the 24-turns debate : chances are a deck that requires swarming the field with weapons is going to be either a OE/Animate Mono-air, Air Mark/Nova-weapon rush or a weapon-based stall.
All three risk a slow startup (drawing too few quantum sources or too many/few swords), which hinders the rainbow rush along with other possible weaknesses like PC, and most Quantum denials (BH is the most obvious case, though Discord and Pestswarm decks can mess up decks that rely on cheap weapons powered by Nova.)
Denial (Even Trident) can hurt a mono-air, and PC or CC (especially non-damage CC like BB, RT, or Artic Squid/Wardens) can slow the deck down for too long.
Stalls can deal better with the windup period, but usually will require you to duo and will probably go closer to the possible 24> turns than the other two, with the result of being more effective against more decks.


While it's not OP, Flying Sword probably will be the core card of decks that use it, and can be countered appropriately by the right decks.
I don't think it's OP, basically because there are very few Mono Air decks. Air as itself is underpowered.

I love the concept of second weapons. I think actually weapons define the element's nature (Air shoot, Darkness vampires, Time time reverse, death poisons etc). Second weapons are a good deal to endeepen in elements characteristics.

As Dominaria world did to Magic the gathering, where literature, RPG and a world with diferent identities for diferent colours has an amazing deepness.

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The world EACH should be removed, as you don't especify either yours or enemies turn, in this case boths. The card says you shoot on both turns. I think cards should specify your turn.

Maybe someday Zanz will create cards and condition rules where he has to re-edit some cards.


 

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