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Re: Flowing Time | Revolving Time https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=18896.msg242455#msg242455
« Reply #24 on: January 07, 2011, 03:58:20 pm »
I don't understand the concept how revolving time heals you though.
I assume Elementals naturally heal over the long term (you start at full for each duel don't you?). Flowing Time accelerates the process so it is detectable during duels.
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Re: Flowing Time | Revolving Time https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=18896.msg242471#msg242471
« Reply #25 on: January 07, 2011, 04:22:56 pm »
I corrected the first post. Now I will submit to Crucible.
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Re: Flowing Time | Revolving Time https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=18896.msg242690#msg242690
« Reply #26 on: January 07, 2011, 10:11:27 pm »
Nice card. Just the healing Time needs. It's awesome that now Time can actually USE it's drawing skills in a USEFUL way. But it might be too powerful. I mean, Time could easily draw on average 2-3 cards each turn. That would make it far more powerful than SoG (yes, that mightily OP card), at a lower cost (even unupped)

I think that in order to make it balanced, you should both decrease the healing to 2 HP and increase the cost by 1 for each version. The truth is you DO NOT need to use the huge Eternity/Flying Weapon/SoR/Anubis/this/HG's/potato pie to benefit from the healing. All you really need to do is make a deck with 6 HG's, 6 Silurian Dragons, 6 of these and lots of Time Pillars. Perhaps even slimmer with 4 of each card copy. This deck shouldn't have a problem killing any opponent with the massive attack power and should stall most rushes nicely, fitting in as a top deck (even with my proposed nerf)

Then again, I might just be overestimating this card (we shall never know, unless it reaches the game)

Anyways, the reason I posted here (except Trials) was to say you that this is a gread idea, keep it up, hope you get in the Reliquary. Good luck!
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Re: Flowing Time | Revolving Time https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=18896.msg242704#msg242704
« Reply #27 on: January 07, 2011, 10:34:37 pm »
if this makes it into the game, and is not changed in any shape or way
then this will make time possible better at speed EM than life (possible goodbye to USEM)

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Re: Flowing Time | Revolving Time https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=18896.msg242967#msg242967
« Reply #28 on: January 08, 2011, 05:53:55 am »
if this makes it into the game, and is not changed in any shape or way
then this will make time possible better at speed EM than life (possible goodbye to USEM)
If this and a middle-range Time attacker, maybe. Although dragon spam works.

@xdude: I will think about that. Probably too low with only 2hp healing and cost increase, though. I mean, comparing to SoG it would heal less than half (normally) and cost much more (SoG costs one quanta - as three any = one element). Comparing it to Empathic Bond... Well, Time can draw a lot, that's true. But creature spam is possible too, and reducing this to 2 means it is comparable to 2 Ferals. Costs much less, but how many times do you draw even half as much as the number of creatures out?

Anyway, I'm thinking to put up a poll. I will change it to match the most popular decision (although in general popular =!= correct...).
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Re: Flowing Time | Revolving Time https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=18896.msg243877#msg243877
« Reply #29 on: January 09, 2011, 01:04:23 pm »
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Your card idea qualifies for the Crucible, The Mormegil. :)

On that note, you could probably rename it to 'River of Time'; yes, I know it sounds too much like :water, but if you think about the concept of 'time healing all wounds', then a river could be aesthetically inspiring based on the idea of cleansing 'water' (leading into cleansing 'time') to heal oneself. As for the art... I'm sure you can muster up the strength to find some royalty free art somewhere. ^^;

That said, in regards to people overestimating its power level - I think that this card is pretty balanced as is. All these Eternity + (insert cheap creature) x N (where N = number of times you rewind your creatures and redraw them again) combos are just too unrealistic to pull off. Can a person make a deck around (hopefully protected) Flying Eternities and this card? Probably. Would it be very efficient, even with shards? Not in my opinion. The fact that you'd have to pull such a ridiculous 4 card combo (Eternity, Flowing Time, Flying Weapon, AND Shard of Readiness) in order to take advantage of having multiple rewinds on your creatures just isn't practical. I would assume that this card would best be used in conjunction with a few Shards of Gratitude in a generic Rainbow deck or Time-stallbows in order to reap the repeatedly healing either in the beginning or mid-late game with stalling.

The best part of this card is that it heals at the BEGINNING of your turn rather at the end; too many times I've made miscalculation errors when it came down to seeing how much damage a False God would do against me; having these out and getting the healing as the turn began would give me a better perspective of what to do in order to survive another round against heavy-hitters.


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Re: Flowing Time | Revolving Time https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=18896.msg243895#msg243895
« Reply #30 on: January 09, 2011, 01:52:36 pm »
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Your card idea qualifies for the Crucible, The Mormegil. :)

On that note, you could probably rename it to 'River of Time'; yes, I know it sounds too much like :water, but if you think about the concept of 'time healing all wounds', then a river could be aesthetically inspiring based on the idea of cleansing 'water' (leading into cleansing 'time') to heal oneself. As for the art... I'm sure you can muster up the strength to find some royalty free art somewhere. ^^;

That said, in regards to people overestimating its power level - I think that this card is pretty balanced as is. All these Eternity + (insert cheap creature) x N (where N = number of times you rewind your creatures and redraw them again) combos are just too unrealistic to pull off. Can a person make a deck around (hopefully protected) Flying Eternities and this card? Probably. Would it be very efficient, even with shards? Not in my opinion. The fact that you'd have to pull such a ridiculous 4 card combo (Eternity, Flowing Time, Flying Weapon, AND Shard of Readiness) in order to take advantage of having multiple rewinds on your creatures just isn't practical. I would assume that this card would best be used in conjunction with a few Shards of Gratitude in a generic Rainbow deck or Time-stallbows in order to reap the repeatedly healing either in the beginning or mid-late game with stalling.

The best part of this card is that it heals at the BEGINNING of your turn rather at the end; too many times I've made miscalculation errors when it came down to seeing how much damage a False God would do against me; having these out and getting the healing as the turn began would give me a better perspective of what to do in order to survive another round against heavy-hitters.
Well, thank you. :)

And your idea is awesome, I will look into it further during the next days. River of Time... hmmm...
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Re: Flowing Time | Revolving Time https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=18896.msg246648#msg246648
« Reply #31 on: January 13, 2011, 03:25:40 pm »
I really like the card. My favourite aspect is how it gives a nice base of healing every turn, but also has synergies with Time's mechanics in general. Very elegant design. :) Let's vote this to the Reliquary quickly! :D
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Re: Flowing Time | Revolving Time https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=18896.msg246803#msg246803
« Reply #32 on: January 13, 2011, 08:51:20 pm »
I'm impressed, so many great players like this concept! O_O wow! :D
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Re: Flowing Time | Revolving Time https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=18896.msg247046#msg247046
« Reply #33 on: January 14, 2011, 01:59:37 am »
This is a strong idea that work wells within the time element mechanic.  Not necessarily the most needed time card (mid range attacker please) but a more than welcome addition.

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Re: Flowing Time | Revolving Time https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=18896.msg373615#msg373615
« Reply #34 on: July 30, 2011, 02:02:06 pm »
I have an AWESOME idea for a name:

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Re: Flowing Time | Revolving Time https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=18896.msg373617#msg373617
« Reply #35 on: July 30, 2011, 02:09:06 pm »
This would be a very good concept, but I think it deserves way more evidence than this. Maybe post it in the Smithy? I don't think Zanz will see the Forge Archive...
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