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Title: Fate Nest | Fate Nest
Post by: moomoose on August 17, 2011, 04:17:27 am

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NAME: Fate Nest ELEMENT: Time COST: 5 :time TYPE: Permanent ATK|HP: TEXT: May produce Fate Eggs while there are avian creatures in play	NAME: Fate Nest ELEMENT: Time COST: 5 :time TYPE: Permanent ATK|HP: TEXT: May produce Fate Eggs while there are avian creatures in play

ART: Nirolo http://nirolo.deviantart.com/gallery/?catpath=/&offset=24#/d13yxgh IDEA: moomoose NOTES: The chance of a Fate Nest producing a Fate Egg is 10% per avian creature in play. Avian means bird, look it up if you need to. SERIES:

Title: Re: Fate Nest | Fate Nest
Post by: Dominator497 on August 17, 2011, 04:31:55 am

I like your ideas so far, I have seen lots of your cards and they are all pretty sweet. This one included. I like the concept of fate egg nests, but why only Cockatrices? Also if you decide to stick with only Cockatrices for this egg nest to work, I suggest you raise the percentage. I like it, might I suggest keeping everything the same but perhaps even lowering the percentage if you wish, and then allowing the nest to work without any restrictions as soon as you play it? Just an idea. Your cards, do what you want.

Title: Re: Fate Nest | Fate Nest
Post by: Xenocidius on August 17, 2011, 07:31:13 am

It's a good idea, but the fact that it only works when used along with one other card means that it will never make it into the game.

Title: Re: Fate Nest | Fate Nest
Post by: Bonestorm on August 17, 2011, 07:38:29 am

seems UP, could make it for every flying type in play? I can see you're trying to work :life/ :time synergy though.

Title: Re: Fate Nest | Fate Nest
Post by: oblivion1212 on August 17, 2011, 11:35:15 am

Quote from: Bonestorm on August 17, 2011, 07:38:29 am

seems UP, could make it for every flying type in play? I can see you're trying to work :life/ :time synergy though.

imho, no i don't think he's trying to make a  :life /:time synergy card..
i think it's only cockatrices which would possibly lay eggs..

on the card, why not add dragons?
>they have high costs --> not really instant to come
>allows more time synergy to all elements, other than the draw power and anti-deck out

Title: Re: Fate Nest | Fate Nest
Post by: moomoose on August 17, 2011, 11:56:49 am

nail on the head, cockatrices were chosen because it is supposed to be a mildly humorous card, as fate eggs themselves tend to inherently be funny. if there were a bunny card i would have probably sided with that instead of the kfc.

Quote from: Xenocidius on August 17, 2011, 07:31:13 am

It's a good idea, but the fact that it only works when used along with one other card means that it will never make it into the game.

uh, where the heck did you get that idea from? there is no such rule.


and the reason 10% was picked, so far, is that if there are 5 kfcs in play (and this isnt terribly difficult to accomplish with mitosis after a few turns, also in :life) then each fate nest has a 50% chance to produce a fate egg, and that would become a rather effective production line of eggs to play with.  and changing it to also allow dragons wouldnt terribly help the card, then it could work in a mono-time deck, which isnt the intent.  if there were more birds in the game i would just set it to for each bird rather than specifically the cockatrice, the only bird i can think of currently in game.

Title: Re: Fate Nest | Fate Nest
Post by: oblivion1212 on August 17, 2011, 12:40:19 pm

so, umm, just make it "may produce fate eggs while there are non- :time birds/dragons/ (whatever lays eggs)" to make it  :rainbow -ish??
 :P :P

*EDIT* scorps/frogs/spiders/fireflies/pests/fish/phoenixes could also lay eggs (????)

**EDIT** i just realized, vulture --> bird!!
yay for  :death :time
time to die!! (lol pun XD)

Title: Re: Fate Nest | Fate Nest
Post by: moomoose on August 17, 2011, 01:35:16 pm

phoenix and vulture, good catch.  will add some variety to the card, i think ill stick away from fish/insect eggs for the moment

Title: Re: Fate Nest | Fate Nest
Post by: GG on August 17, 2011, 01:55:06 pm

This is a very, very underpowered card, seeing that Fate egg itself requires one turn to be able to be hatched, not even mentioning all the CC it will be vulnerable to.

I think it would be still balanced if you make one Cockatrice produce one Fate Egg per nest.

Title: Re: Fate Nest | Fate Nest
Post by: moomoose on August 17, 2011, 02:05:03 pm

the issue is the cost of this card is only 2 higher than fate eggs themselves.  i didnt want to make this card make fate eggs as a card themselves completely overshadowed.

Title: Re: Fate Nest | Fate Nest
Post by: ZephyrPhantom on August 17, 2011, 02:54:13 pm

I think if you made it all birds, it would be fine. Dragons might be a bit much IMHO.

Title: Re: Fate Nest | Fate Nest
Post by: Dominator497 on August 17, 2011, 04:08:36 pm

Yes. With Cockatrices, Phoenixes, and Vultures I think it might be a little more balanced. But maybe something else.

Maybe  Pegasus? I mean it is half bird half horse right? Does that lay eggs or not ??? ?

Title: Re: Fate Nest | Fate Nest
Post by: moomoose on August 17, 2011, 06:45:20 pm

i dont think the eggs that come from pegasus are the kind that hatch.

i think i am going to use the term avian to cover all birds, in case more get added to the game.

Title: Re: Fate Nest | Fate Nest
Post by: Dominator497 on August 17, 2011, 07:14:29 pm

Quote from: moomoose on August 17, 2011, 06:45:20 pm

i dont think the eggs that come from pegasus are the kind that hatch.

i think i am going to use the term avian to cover all birds, in case more get added to the game.

sounds good.

Title: Re: Fate Nest | Fate Nest
Post by: moomoose on August 17, 2011, 10:19:46 pm

updated the avian specification

Title: Re: Fate Nest | Fate Nest
Post by: Xenocidius on August 18, 2011, 01:29:42 am

Quote from: moomoose on August 17, 2011, 11:56:49 am

Quote from: Xenocidius on August 17, 2011, 07:31:13 am

It's a good idea, but the fact that it only works when used along with one other card means that it will never make it into the game.

OldTrees has said that any card that only has use alongside a small number of cards is too limited to work in-game. This card was ONLY useful alongside Cockatrice.

Looks like you've fixed it though, so it's fine.

Title: Re: Fate Nest | Fate Nest
Post by: moomoose on August 18, 2011, 01:31:40 am

last i checked oldtrees wasnt zanz, and zanz is the only one who decides what makes it into the game.  kinda tired of people talking about oldtrees like hes god, hes a good guy and a good card person, but the buck doesnt stop with him.

Title: Re: Fate Nest | Fate Nest
Post by: davidy22 on August 18, 2011, 04:00:33 am

Avian doesn't just mean bird, it can include any flying creature. Also, what if bats are added to the game? Bats don't lay eggs.

Title: Re: Fate Nest | Fate Nest
Post by: moomoose on August 18, 2011, 04:05:41 am

a·vi·an/ˈāvēən/
Adjective: Of or relating to birds.
Noun: A bird.  More »

in the opening post i told you to look it up.  i just did it for you.  davidy (him specifically, anyone else i will at least consider their opinion, but not his at this point) please do not post in any of my threads about the wordings of my cards, i will disagree with you, so save your time.

Title: Re: Fate Nest | Fate Nest
Post by: davidy22 on August 18, 2011, 04:42:49 am

Quote from: moomoose on August 18, 2011, 04:05:41 am

a·vi·an/ˈāvēən/
Adjective: Of or relating to birds.
Noun: A bird.  More »

in the opening post i told you to look it up.  i just did it for you.  davidy (him specifically, anyone else i will at least consider their opinion, but not his at this point) please do not post in any of my threads about the wordings of my cards, i will disagree with you, so save your time.

Rejecting feedback on principle is hardly the way to improve. You're being quite mature here.

I know what the definition of the word is. The adjective avian can be applied to any living, flying thing; "the dragon was an avian death machine."

Title: Re: Fate Nest | Fate Nest
Post by: moomoose on August 18, 2011, 12:09:21 pm

ill keep this simple- you are wrong. stop.

Dictionary
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    a·vi·an

    noun /ˈāvēən/ 
    avians, plural
        A bird

    adjective /ˈāvēən/ 
        Of or relating to birds
            - avian tuberculosis


    Web definitions
        pertaining to or characteristic of birds
    wordnetweb.princeton.edu/perl/webwn

        Aviano (Avian) is a town and comune of province of Pordenone at the foot of the Dolomites mountain range in Friuli-Venezia Giulia, northern Italy.
    en.wikipedia.org/wiki/AVIAN

        Avian is a melodic power metal band founded in 2002 by guitarist Yan Leviathan. The band features singer Lance King. In 2005 they released their debut album From the Depths of Time, a concept album dealing with the end of days and a warning to mankind . ...
    en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Avian_(band)

        (Avians) Birds (class Aves) are winged, bipedal, endothermic (warm-blooded), egg-laying, vertebrate animals. There are around 10,000 living species, making them the most varied of tetrapod vertebrates. They inhabit ecosystems across the globe, from the Arctic to the Antarctic. ...
    en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Avians

        Dispersal - Movement of individuals from an area of high intensity to areas of low intensity. Often this term refers to movement of recently fledged birds to an area other than where they were born.
    birdcentral.net/glossary.htm

        Refers to birds. Feathers are a uniquely avian characteristic.
    purplemartin.org/main/Terminology.html

        of birds, ex) Avian Flu is a flu that typically infects birds.
    www.birdflusmart.com/terms.html

        Definition: The term "avian" is derived from the Latin word "Aves", which is the scientific class for all bird species. To say that something is "avian" imparts that it relates or pertains to birds in some way.
    www.ecavianassociation.com/index.php

        Of the sub-groups of Talking Beasts, sizes are the most varied. Owls and Eagles may be 4 to 5 feet tall, large enough to carry a human child, while songbirds, robins, crows, and other small types are indistinguishable from their non-talking counterparts unless they speak. ...
    www.calormen.com/Calormen/encyclopedia.htm

        Refers to birds, including poultry.
    wps.prenhall.com/chet_field_scientific_9/74/18960/4854005.cw…

        belonging or relating to birds
    www.pigeoncontrolresourcecentre.org/html/glossary-of-pigeon-…

        Having to do with birds.
    www.usbr.gov/projects/glossary.jsp

Title: Re: Fate Nest | Fate Nest
Post by: Vineroz on August 18, 2011, 12:33:15 pm

Definitely a fun card! too bad there is already an "airborne" passive ability...

Title: Re: Fate Nest | Fate Nest
Post by: moomoose on August 18, 2011, 10:45:59 pm

why would the airborne passive be an issue?

Title: Re: Fate Nest | Fate Nest
Post by: dragonsdemesne on August 19, 2011, 01:32:08 am

Seems cool to me; it's similar to boneyard/graveyard in that it makes creatures, but it's harder to control (the randomness) and potentially stronger. (but slower, due to fate egg activation)  I think it's fairly reasonable as is.

Also, I have one question about the mechanics of the card; I'll use an example.

Suppose I have 3 avians.  Are my chances of getting a fate egg:
1) 30% to get 1 fate egg.  (3 x 10%)
2) 10% to get 1 fate egg, checked 3 times.  (i.e. I might get 0,1,2, or 3 fate eggs, the 3 happening 1/1000 of the time in this case, and being too lazy to calculate the other odds)

Title: Re: Fate Nest | Fate Nest
Post by: moomoose on August 19, 2011, 02:34:05 am

they are independent calculations, so you could get 0-3 fate eggs in that situation.

Title: Re: Fate Nest | Fate Nest
Post by: ninjamaster1991 on August 19, 2011, 01:46:13 pm

Hm. If you put this in a  :fire/ :death combo with a  :time mark, then this would generate fodder and(hopefully) powerful creatures.

Title: Re: Fate Nest | Fate Nest
Post by: Vineroz on August 21, 2011, 10:05:38 am

Quote from: moomoose on August 18, 2011, 10:45:59 pm

why would the airborne passive be an issue?

Because all "avian" creatures are airborne as well? And seems like you don't want all airborne creatures to lay eggs? (photon eggs ftw)

Title: Re: Fate Nest | Fate Nest
Post by: TheManuz on August 21, 2011, 12:40:44 pm

That's a nice card, Moomoose.

:o I just realized that  :air doesn't have any avians!!!

Title: Re: Fate Nest | Fate Nest
Post by: ninjamaster1991 on August 23, 2011, 10:25:46 pm

Quote from: TheManuz on August 21, 2011, 12:40:44 pm

That's a nice card, Moomoose.

:o I just realized that  :air doesn't have any avians!!!

Wyrm?

Title: Re: Fate Nest | Fate Nest
Post by: TheManuz on August 24, 2011, 11:44:29 am

Quote from: ninjamaster1991 on August 23, 2011, 10:25:46 pm

Quote from: TheManuz on August 21, 2011, 12:40:44 pm

That's a nice card, Moomoose.

:o I just realized that  :air doesn't have any avians!!!

Wyrm?

Usually, a Wyrm is a dragon-like creature, not a bird-like.