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Re: Eden | Eden https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=33274.msg452240#msg452240
« Reply #24 on: January 24, 2012, 09:47:59 am »
Update: Thanks to all your votes, this card is now in the Forge (http://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php/topic,6847.0.html)!
Please continue to vote for it! ;)

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Re: Eden | Eden https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=33274.msg452456#msg452456
« Reply #25 on: January 24, 2012, 11:37:59 pm »
Cool card. Possibly OP though.

Fractal sparks comes to mind. Your hand is 1 Eden, 1 fractal, 5 sparks. You suddenly have 11 sparks and play eden. You now have 88 worth of damage on the field that will surivive until the enemy plays a suitable creature, even without denial, he may simply not be able as his are on the field already and he draws a tower/perm/spell.

Of course spark isn't the only combo, pests would probably be a better example, as this would stop the enemy from drawing creatures while dealing huge amounts of damage. Frogs would be a very powerful one to do also.

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Re: Eden | Eden https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=33274.msg452593#msg452593
« Reply #26 on: January 25, 2012, 10:58:04 am »
BTW: Eden, Fractal, 6 BLs = 104 damage.

You now have 88 worth of damage on the field that will surivive until the enemy plays a suitable creature, even without denial, he may simply not be able as his are on the field already and he draws a tower/perm/spell.
Note that the category "non-Life card" includes any non-life "tower/perm/spell". ::)

Also, note that your combo uses 7 cards that would rarely appear if you're using a rational deck. To have 5 sparks means you have probably drawn through 5/6 of your deck, while you have somehow been able to discard/avoid your multiple copies of Eden/Fractal (unless, of course you put one copy of each in your deck). Further clogging up your hand are the survival cards you use because the strategy of using Eden to deal high amounts of damage will surely be out-rushed by rush decks.

Keep these comments coming, because they provide valuable insight to balancing this card. :P

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Re: Eden | Eden https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=33274.msg452649#msg452649
« Reply #27 on: January 25, 2012, 03:07:33 pm »
I'd just like to intrude on this topic and say that I really like the concept. In fact, the only thing I don't like about this is the art, and I even like that a little. (the parrot in the top left corner makes it for me).
I am going to echo this.  While I actually really DO love the art of the card, it is in sharp contrast to the aesthetic that the game currently has.

Nice card though, a gamble with high payout [seeing as life likes to swarm].

Funny combo idea:
Silence the other guy, then toss this out  :P
"I call this the 'last-two-turns-of-the-game maneuver'." LOL!

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Re: Eden | Eden https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=33274.msg452664#msg452664
« Reply #28 on: January 25, 2012, 03:58:18 pm »
Oh. Any pillar/spell/perm/creature at all? Then it sounds pretty pointless...

It might as well just be a +3 attack for one turn card, as that's all it's going to be 99% of the time.

And yeah 7 card is unlikely, that's the beauty of fractal, make it 3 cards, you've still got seven 8/3 creatures. But since the hp isn't going to last, seven 8/6 creatures (frogs) is much more likely. (And a turn or 2 later you could have an extra 8)

I think unmatterial and it's destroyed if the opponent plays a none life CREATURE would be far more balanced, but they also have access to explosion/pulvie/destroy. This would give it a good balance between 'just creatures' and 'EVERYTHING'

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Re: Eden | Eden https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=33274.msg452668#msg452668
« Reply #29 on: January 25, 2012, 04:08:41 pm »
And yeah 7 card is unlikely, that's the beauty of fractal, make it 3 cards, you've still got seven 8/3 creatures. But since the hp isn't going to last, seven 8/6 creatures (frogs) is much more likely. (And a turn or 2 later you could have an extra 8)
Yeah, but the glaring ugliness of fractal is, as I've said before, how easy it is to clog your hand, especially with a mechanic like Eden. 2 turns later, you can only have an extra 7 because using Fractal would disrupt Eden.


Oh. Any pillar/spell/perm/creature at all? Then it sounds pretty pointless...

It might as well just be a +3 attack for one turn card, as that's all it's going to be 99% of the time.
I think unmatterial and it's destroyed if the opponent plays a none life CREATURE would be far more balanced, but they also have access to explosion/pulvie/destroy. This would give it a good balance between 'just creatures' and 'EVERYTHING'
Except making those changes would destroy not only its previously-established synergy and theme but also the show-cased mechanic. ^^;

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Re: Eden | Eden https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=33274.msg452680#msg452680
« Reply #30 on: January 25, 2012, 05:27:04 pm »
Been thinking and i thought of an overpowered use of this card. :)

Do a fractal worth of sparks play eden and chimera it. Eden is destroyed but chimera keeps the boosted stats.

Mark of  :life  4 chimera 4 fractal 4 spark 4 eden 9 :aether towers 5 :gravity towers.

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Re: Eden | Eden https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=33274.msg452685#msg452685
« Reply #31 on: January 25, 2012, 05:38:31 pm »
Been thinking and i thought of an overpowered use of this card. :)

Do a fractal worth of sparks play eden and chimera it. Eden is destroyed but chimera keeps the boosted stats.

Mark of  :life  4 chimera 4 fractal 4 spark 4 eden 9 :aether towers 5 :gravity towers.
Except:
  • Your deck can easily be outrushed.
  • In your scenario, the Chimera still dies because it has 18 HP max.
  • This "exploit" can easily be removed by assuming Eden's effect is removed before the off-element card's effect activates.

 

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