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Earthen Clay | Terranean Clay https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=38639.msg480939#msg480939
« on: April 14, 2012, 01:31:57 pm »
NAME:
Earthen Clay
ELEMENT:
Earth
COST:
2 :earth
TYPE:
Permanent
ATK|HP:

TEXT:
:earth :earth : Geoform
The target permanent card has its cost changed to :earth
NAME:
Terranean Clay
ELEMENT:
Earth
COST:
2 :earth
TYPE:
Permanent
ATK|HP:

TEXT:
:earth :earth : Terraform
The target permanent card has its cost changed to :earth and reduced by 2

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NOTES:
similar to http://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php/topic,38060.msg477409.html#msg477409 but probably easier to applications of it's use, given that it can work on shields and weapons.
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Re: Earthen Clay | Terranean Clay https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=38639.msg482620#msg482620
« Reply #1 on: April 17, 2012, 01:11:12 pm »
not exactly sure how it would be pc, it functions to play a non earth permanent by using earth quanta.
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Re: Earthen Clay | Terranean Clay https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=38639.msg482635#msg482635
« Reply #2 on: April 17, 2012, 02:25:55 pm »
Sorry, I had misread that.  Apparently I thought it changed the ability cost.

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Re: Earthen Clay | Terranean Clay https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=38639.msg482646#msg482646
« Reply #3 on: April 17, 2012, 03:07:03 pm »
Hmm.
This card and Astral Knowledge are well thought out, fit their elements and appear balanced within +/- 1quanta casting cost. It is at the minimum a Good suggestion and is a contender for greatness.

The only thing missing is whether the core suggestion of "card has its cost changed" is sufficiently beneficial to EtG.
Pro: It allows the addition of (off element permanents / off element aether spells) to (earth/aether) decks.
Con: It allows certain elemental cards to be cast using abnormal quanta.

Should  :earth be able to create lunar events, floods or walls of fire?
Should  :aether be able to create miracles, fire storms or mutations?
I do not know how such effects could be created from the type of quanta in question.
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Re: Earthen Clay | Terranean Clay https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=38639.msg482727#msg482727
« Reply #4 on: April 17, 2012, 05:39:46 pm »
Hmm.
This card and Astral Knowledge are well thought out, fit their elements and appear balanced within +/- 1quanta casting cost. It is at the minimum a Good suggestion and is a contender for greatness.

The only thing missing is whether the core suggestion of "card has its cost changed" is sufficiently beneficial to EtG.
Pro: It allows the addition of (off element permanents / off element aether spells) to (earth/aether) decks.
Con: It allows certain elemental cards to be cast using abnormal quanta.

Should  :earth be able to create lunar events, floods or walls of fire?
Should  :aether be able to create miracles, fire storms or mutations?
I do not know how such effects could be created from the type of quanta in question.
I think  :earth is ok creating lunar events if you liken earth to being linked to the solid matter of the moon itself... after all the moon is made of rock / stone just like the earth... The earth definitely can create flooding... or at least tsunami's as in the trident card... I do see the point though, some things are trickier to justify... Such as wings... which is clearly an :air card, the polar opposite of :earth.
Aether I think is a little easier to justify, at least for spells, since it has a thematic connection with the mind, the medium through which most spells must be channeled...
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Re: Earthen Clay | Terranean Clay https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=38639.msg482731#msg482731
« Reply #5 on: April 17, 2012, 05:53:23 pm »
why should earth have eclipses, fire walls, etc? further along that line of questioning, why is a "eclipse" a permanent, it is an observation of a state in the alignment of ~3+ celestial bodies.  the general idea is that by and large, most permanents are considered objects/matter/solid, and the theme is that the clay is built to replicate the *structure* permanent and then function.

as far as aether being able to do miracles/mutations/etc, they are magic being copied (and subsequently replaced in your hand) by aether, and copying is firmly in aether's domain
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Re: Earthen Clay | Terranean Clay https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=38639.msg482760#msg482760
« Reply #6 on: April 17, 2012, 07:48:37 pm »
Will there be a  :life version for creatures?
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Re: Earthen Clay | Terranean Clay https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=38639.msg482804#msg482804
« Reply #7 on: April 17, 2012, 09:14:23 pm »
debating it, creatures in my mind are a bit different than spells or permanents, especially with mitosis and adrenaline lurking in life.
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Re: Earthen Clay | Terranean Clay https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=38639.msg482820#msg482820
« Reply #8 on: April 17, 2012, 09:52:07 pm »
Will there be a  :life version for creatures?
Unlikely. Being a creature does not strongly correlate with being organic.
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