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Copy Egg | Copy Egg https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=49982.msg1081904#msg1081904
« on: June 21, 2013, 08:36:01 pm »
NAME:
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ELEMENT:
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COST:
3 :aether
TYPE:
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ATK|HP:
0 | 1
TEXT:
:time : Emerge
Copy Egg turns into a basic version of the last creature played.
NAME:
Copy Egg
ELEMENT:
Aether
COST:
3 :aether
TYPE:
Creature
ATK|HP:
0 | 1
TEXT:
:time : Emerge
Copy Egg turns into an elite version of the last creature played.

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"Basic version" means "unupgraded version" and "elite version" means "upgraded version."

If no creatures are played after Copy Egg is played and before its ability is used, it will turn into a Copy Egg. I'm actually thinking of switching the upped and unupped versions such that you can get the upgraded version in an unupped deck.

Hopefully this idea hasn't been done before, but I wouldn't be surprised if it has.
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Re: Copy Egg | Copy Egg https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=49982.msg1081909#msg1081909
« Reply #1 on: June 21, 2013, 08:56:38 pm »
I would make the ability cost  :aether so it doesn't require a trio to use it with an off-element creature you want
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Re: Copy Egg | Copy Egg https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=49982.msg1081910#msg1081910
« Reply #2 on: June 21, 2013, 08:59:23 pm »
I would make the ability cost  :aether so it doesn't require a trio to use it with an off-element creature you want

Well, if you want something like that, you might as well use Parallel Universe! ^^

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Re: Copy Egg | Copy Egg https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=49982.msg1081912#msg1081912
« Reply #3 on: June 21, 2013, 09:04:31 pm »
Step 1: Fractal Copy Egg, play them all
Step 2: Play Phase Dragon
Step 3: Evolve
Step 4: ???
Step 5: Profit.

Easy enough to do with a mono aether and some pends.
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Re: Copy Egg | Copy Egg https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=49982.msg1081917#msg1081917
« Reply #4 on: June 21, 2013, 09:20:28 pm »
Indeed. It feels just a bit too abusable.

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Re: Copy Egg | Copy Egg https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=49982.msg1081919#msg1081919
« Reply #5 on: June 21, 2013, 09:29:14 pm »
Step 1: Fractal Copy Egg, play them all
Step 2: Play Phase Dragon
Step 3: Evolve
Step 4: ???
Step 5: Profit.

Easy enough to do with a mono aether and some pends.

Phase Dragons may take a while to be drawn or clog your hand, Copy Eggs unlike Fate Eggs have that 1 turn delay when Fractal'd, and Copy Eggs like Fate Eggs can be easily CC'd before they hatch/emerge.

I tried to cheat the RNG just to see how fast Fractal-Copy-Dragon would be, and I kept getting stumped because there is no way to get more than 2 Copy Eggs on the field AND drop a dragon within the first 3-4 turns. Might as well use TU over Fractal, imo.


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Re: Copy Egg | Copy Egg https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=49982.msg1081923#msg1081923
« Reply #6 on: June 21, 2013, 10:01:15 pm »
This egg might be treading a little bit on the toes of parallel universe.  It's like PU's cheaper, more situational and random, gimpy brother.  Instead of copying one creature of my choice, right away, for 7 :aether, I drop this vulnerable egg for just 3 :aether, then play a creature I like or hope my opponent does before something kills my egg, then pay a :time quanta to copy it.  It seems like the only real niche for this is to fractal it or draw a bunch in your hand and play them at once to get lots of copies going, hoping you get out the gate faster and cheaper as a result.

It seems like the big thing every time someone suggests a creature is always "What if someone fractals it?"

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Re: Copy Egg | Copy Egg https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=49982.msg1081925#msg1081925
« Reply #7 on: June 21, 2013, 10:07:04 pm »
Phase Dragons may take a while to be drawn or clog your hand, Copy Eggs unlike Fate Eggs have that 1 turn delay when Fractal'd, and Copy Eggs like Fate Eggs can be easily CC'd before they hatch/emerge.

I tried to cheat the RNG just to see how fast Fractal-Copy-Dragon would be, and I kept getting stumped because there is no way to get more than 2 Copy Eggs on the field AND drop a dragon within the first 3-4 turns. Might as well use TU over Fractal, imo.
If they clog your hand, just discard them. You only need one if you've got a field of Copy Eggs ready. And why is the 1 turn delay being brought up? They'd have a delay when you play them at all, not just when being fractal'd. And what nonsense is this about Fate Eggs not having a delay before using the ability? They're the same as every creature - ability summoning sickness applies. Also - it's fine for you to be stumped about pulling this off in the first 3-4 turns, but why did you assume that in the first place?
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Re: Copy Egg | Copy Egg https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=49982.msg1081940#msg1081940
« Reply #8 on: June 21, 2013, 11:31:11 pm »
On one hand, Fate Egg is good with SoR.

On the other hand, SoR is a shard.

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Re: Copy Egg | Copy Egg https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=49982.msg1081944#msg1081944
« Reply #9 on: June 22, 2013, 12:18:50 am »
It seems like the only real niche for this is to fractal it or draw a bunch in your hand and play them at once to get lots of copies going, hoping you get out the gate faster and cheaper as a result.

Minor Phoenix, Microabomination, Guardian Angel, Minor Vampire, Fallen Elf, Pegasus, Wyrm, and most of the unupgraded dragons. Why do you think I made them the same cost?

Also, you can just splash this card for the lulz rather than relying on Fractal. It's pretty fun, don't you think?

Phase Dragons may take a while to be drawn or clog your hand, Copy Eggs unlike Fate Eggs have that 1 turn delay when Fractal'd, and Copy Eggs like Fate Eggs can be easily CC'd before they hatch/emerge.

I tried to cheat the RNG just to see how fast Fractal-Copy-Dragon would be, and I kept getting stumped because there is no way to get more than 2 Copy Eggs on the field AND drop a dragon within the first 3-4 turns. Might as well use TU over Fractal, imo.
If they clog your hand, just discard them. You only need one if you've got a field of Copy Eggs ready. And why is the 1 turn delay being brought up? They'd have a delay when you play them at all, not just when being fractal'd. And what nonsense is this about Fate Eggs not having a delay before using the ability? They're the same as every creature - ability summoning sickness applies. Also - it's fine for you to be stumped about pulling this off in the first 3-4 turns, but why did you assume that in the first place?

1. To discard, you're delaying the deck an extra 1 turn of not playing pillars.
2. There is an extra 1 turn delay compared to Fate Eggs and other non-Aether creatures because you can play the aforementioned Fate Eggs the turn you Fractal them.
3. There is an extra 1 turn delay compared to other non-Aether creatures, say a non-Aether dragon, because said dragon does not do 0 damage the turn it is played.
4. So you agree it's slow.

I was just investigating whether or not this card would be OP with Fractal or with Phase Dragon. Because of the additional setbacks using either strategy, and the fact that this disadvantage is multiplied when the strategies are put together, I stand by my original point that this "Fractal-Copy-Dragon" thing is not very notable.

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Re: Copy Egg | Copy Egg https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=49982.msg1081945#msg1081945
« Reply #10 on: June 22, 2013, 12:23:09 am »
4. So you agree it's slow.
I stand by my original point that this "Fractal-Copy-Dragon" thing is not very notable.
4. I never claimed otherwise.
It's essentially Mitosis for Phase Dragon. I think that's quite notable. Without fractal, it's a single use mitosis, but for 4 instead of 14 (or 13)
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Re: Copy Egg | Copy Egg https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=49982.msg1081950#msg1081950
« Reply #11 on: June 22, 2013, 12:41:40 am »
4. So you agree it's slow.
I stand by my original point that this "Fractal-Copy-Dragon" thing is not very notable.
4. I never claimed otherwise.
It's essentially Mitosis for Phase Dragon. I think that's quite notable. Without fractal, it's a single use mitosis, but for 4 instead of 14 (or 13)

Yes, if the timing is right. You can keep a Phase Dragon in your hand, play a Copy Egg, then wait a turn while hoping it doesn't get CC'd, and finally play the Phase Dragon and activate "emerge."
Or you can just skip all the "to play or not to play" schtick and use an Anubis. Faster, more consistent, and more reliable.

The interaction with Phase Dragon is extremely niche, and even within that niche this card is quite balanced. I agree that it's interesting and that it may be fun to finally swarm Phase Dragons, but from a card balancing perspective, I don't find it notable.

 

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