Charon's Bribe | Charon's Bribe

[FlareGlutox]

Now that we have it in the Smithy, I notice that you should put in the notes, that this effect doesn't stack. Otherwise you would have to pay for your creatures twice or three, four and up to six times, when they die, if you had more than one Charon's Bribe on the field.

Changed. although Id like to hear opinion from the community on its balance before I completely rule out something like that. My personal opinion is that as it is now, it would only be very good against opponents who play an expensive creature as soon as they have enough quanta early game. i dont see very much benefit late game when players have had a chance to build up their quanta pools, which means to get the full benefit youd have to increase your chance of pulling it early game by bring more, but that means dead cards in your deck that you cant use.

Ah, I forgot to put the word "probably" somewhere in my first sentence. But despite the fact, that I would consider this to be pretty OP if it stacked, you could set up a poll to get some reliable feedback about this.

[darkrobe]

Ah, I forgot to put the word "probably" somewhere in my first sentence. But despite the fact, that I would consider this to be pretty OP if it stacked, you could set up a poll to get some reliable feedback about this.

good idea. if it were stakable i would probably decrease the creature cost by half or 2/3rds. that way a full stack of 6 Charon's Bribes would cause players to pay either 3 times or twice the original summoning cost.

also i would suggest that the cost be stackable (but not the relic side effect. creature should only have one lost soul)

[darkrobe]

Id appreciate it if people Elaborated on their survey choice. If you think the card is Op or Up. please explain why.

[furballdn]

So this means if you kill a flesh recluse with lightning, your opponent loses 3 instantly? Do they get a choice whether or not to pay? Because a relic in the hand is preferable to paying extra for nothing.

[darkrobe]

So this means if you kill a flesh recluse with lightning, your opponent loses 3 instantly? Do they get a choice whether or not to pay? Because a relic in the hand is preferable to paying extra for nothing.

yes. that is how the card works. upon death, you opponent must pay the card cost. if they cant pay it  in full then a relic is placed in the hand. the relic in the hand is just a bonus for you if you manage to drain all your opponents quantum. it really is the minor effect of the two.

[furballdn]

What happens if you kill their flesh recluse and they only have 2 ? Do they lose both of them? Do they still get a relic?

[darkrobe]

What happens if you kill their flesh recluse and they only have 2 ? Do they lose both of them? Do they still get a relic?

ah, good point. I think  the idea is that you have to try and pay charon. so you would lose the 2  , but because you couldnt pay the full cost, you get the relic.

[Naesala]

That doesn't ound fair to me, your oppnent is hitting zero for quanta -and- losing a hand spot? I'd say so long as any quanta are drained, no relic. Thematics aside, the card must be balanced. If you want to be thematicly correct and balanced, i suppose just the relic and no draining.

[rickerd]

So if you have six of this cards on the field then the opponent has to pay al of them... ???

[darkrobe]

That doesn't sound fair to me, your oppnent is hitting zero for quanta -and- losing a hand spot? I'd say so long as any quanta are drained, no relic. Thematics aside, the card must be balanced. If you want to be thematicly correct and balanced, i suppose just the relic and no draining.

well. i guess. but as the card currently stands, the most someone could lose in quanta would be something like 12 of one type of quanta per creature death (for a dragon for example). if the opponent only has 11 quanta, it is more balanced to simply not drain any quanta and give them a relic? i feel like that would be making this card rather useless. unless their hand is full, the relic wont slow them down at all. on the other hand. if no relic at all is given if they have any quanta. i feel like the chances of them ever getting a relic are near zero, because most decks are going to generate at least one quanta of the type they use to play their monsters by the time it is your turn and you kill them. so for that example, you spend 2  to kill their dragon with lightning. but they only had 1 quanta. you effectively denied them of 1 quanta, but no relic was placed in their hand. again, this card has had little to no useful effect in the one place it is supposed to.

while it may be more thematicly correct. i dont particularly believe it is more balanced.

So if you have six of this cards on the field then the opponent has to pay al of them... ???

well right now, no. the poll is meant to find out peoples opinions on that matter. right now you only have to pay one.

[furballdn]

Yup. OP. Killing someone's creatures and they paying again? OP.

[darkrobe]

Yup. OP. Killing someone's creatures and they paying again? OP.

Im sorry but are you arguing that this card is OP because it kills an opponents creature? because it doesnt. it just adds quanta drain to creature death if you spend some  . which in my opinion goes pretty well with deaths theme.

as far as the quanta drain being op, how about black hole: only costs 3  and 36 quanta is drained and you get healed for every one of those quanta.

I dont think this card is OP. This card does not kill creatures, it does not drain quanta every turn (devourers), it does not heal you (black hole), it does not shuffle you quanta every turn (discord). It can be completely blocked by sanctuary (which i think fits in nicely with the death vs light them). and death currently has no insta kill cards (think fire lance, lightning, or shockwave), so it would not be OP in a mono deck. Creatures with no cost [ROL, Malignant cells, sparks, just to name a few] are completely unaffected by this card.

This card is very strong in the following situations:
1. you have played it early and you can kill the first creature the opponent plays (if it is not one of the no cost creatures mentioned above). you will slow down both their draw and their ability to play cards. (note that this will be difficult to achieve because you will need the quanta to play both charon's bribe and an attack spell [which will probably not be a death card] within the first turn or two)
2. you opponent is playing high cost creatures and you have something to kill multiple of them with. for example multiple lightnings or an owl eye. (in which case your opponent will adjust their play style to take into account that they may be forced to pay extra quanta)
3. you opponent is playing a rush of alot of cheap 3 hp creatures and you play firestorm, in which case you will drain them of alot of quanta or fill their hand with cards. and by alot i mean like, 12 giant frogs at 2  apiece which would mean that I drain from you 24  quanta. (lol, i laughed just thinking about this. I want this in the game just to be able to pull this off ) at most you will be delaying them like 2 turns or so before they can start playing creatures again. (note that most times i use firestorm its going to be when there are like 7 creatures on the field, not 12, so the average quanta drain isnt going to be like 24 everytime)