Chaos Lightning | Chaos Lightning

[OldTrees]

Ah. Hybrid cards. A much better attempt than Dual Cards.

There were 2 problems with Dual cards.
1) Would involve the coding of another column in the Hand GUI
2) Would require a new quanta cost type to be added to the database.
Hybrid cards only inherit the last easier one.

However Hybrid cards have a much more stringent thematic requirement.
A Hybrid card between Elements A and B must
0) Fit the game and be balanceable
1) Fit perfectly as a card of Element A
2) Fit perfectly as a card of Element B
3) Be better as a Hybrid card than a single card in either Element
4) Be better as a Hybrid card than a pair of cards in either Element
5) Be sufficiently superior as a Hybrid card to warrant the additional time coding the 66 new quanta types required.

However this card does not fulfill all of these requirements.

[ZephyrPhantom]

Since it doesn't I'd like to know which requirements  it doesn't fit.

[OldTrees]

Ah. Hybrid cards. A much better attempt than Dual Cards.

There were 2 problems with Dual cards.
1) Would involve the coding of another column in the Hand GUI
2) Would require a new quanta cost type to be added to the database.
Hybrid cards only inherit the last easier one.

However Hybrid cards have a much more stringent thematic requirement.
A Hybrid card between Elements A and B must
0) Fit the game and be balanceable
Fits
1) Fit perfectly as a card of Element A[Entropy]
Fits
2) Fit perfectly as a card of Element B[Aether]
Aether is not random unless necessary
3) Be better as a Hybrid card than a single card in either Element
Entropy has support for randomness that mono Aether lacks.
Entropy already has Chaos Seed for this effect.
4) Be better as a Hybrid card than a pair of cards in either Element
Chaos Seed and Lightning fit this better as a pair of cards
5) Be sufficiently superior as a Hybrid card to warrant the additional time coding the 66 new quanta types required.
It is not sufficiently superior due to not being superior

However this card does not fulfill all of these requirements.

[TheCrazyMango]

Ah. Hybrid cards. A much better attempt than Dual Cards.

There were 2 problems with Dual cards.
1) Would involve the coding of another column in the Hand GUI
2) Would require a new quanta cost type to be added to the database.
Hybrid cards only inherit the last easier one.

However Hybrid cards have a much more stringent thematic requirement.
A Hybrid card between Elements A and B must
0) Fit the game and be balanceable
Fits
1) Fit perfectly as a card of Element A[Entropy]
Fits
2) Fit perfectly as a card of Element B[Aether]
Aether is not random unless necessary
3) Be better as a Hybrid card than a single card in either Element
Entropy has support for randomness that mono Aether lacks.
Entropy already has Chaos Seed for this effect.
4) Be better as a Hybrid card than a pair of cards in either Element
Chaos Seed and Lightning fit this better as a pair of cards
5) Be sufficiently superior as a Hybrid card to warrant the additional time coding the 66 new quanta types required.
It is not sufficiently superior due to not being superior

However this card does not fulfill all of these requirements.

is there not an aether card that has the name Lightning, which is also in the title of this card? i think it fits aether

[OldTrees]

The existence of a non random Lightning is exactly why a random Lightning would not fit Aether. Aether does not use randomness unless it is necessary. Randomness is not necessary for the abstraction of Lightning bolts in this game. Therefore it does not perfectly fit Aether in its current form.

A Hybrid card is not a card that is part Aether and part Entropy.
Rather a Hybrid card is a card that is mono Aether and mono Entropy but is better than either as a single card. It is a hard requirement but reasoned.

[TheCrazyMango]

The existence of a non random Lightning is exactly why a random Lightning would not fit Aether. Aether does not use randomness unless it is necessary. Randomness is not necessary for the abstraction of Lightning bolts in this game. Therefore it does not perfectly fit Aether in its current form.

so the existance of any card that is random in entropy limits other random card in entropy? or am i confused(large possibility)

[ZephyrPhantom]

Hmmm... now I have an idea.  How about having a target take 3 damage while a random enemy creature also takes 5 damage?  I could rename the card to "Chain Lightning" if people like it.

As a result::
Has a straightfoward ability (req. 2 now fits, as  is very straightfoward.)
Better than both individual and a pair (can kill two creatures)
sufficiently superior due to two above reasons.

Edit: Added a poll as well.

[OldTrees]

Let me clarify the requirements:
1) Would it fit perfectly thematically if the complete same mechanic were on a mono [Element A] card?

2) Would it fit perfectly thematically if the complete same mechanic were on a mono [Element B] card?

3a) Would a Hybrid card be more fitting than a single card with the complete same mechanic of mono [Element A]?

3b) Would a Hybrid card be more fitting than a single card with the complete same mechanic of mono [Element B]?

4) Would a Hybrid card be more fitting than a pair of cards with the complete same mechanic one of mono [Element A] and the other of mono [Element B]?

Very few ideas fulfill these requirements. I do not think this card can be modified sufficiently and still have any resemblance to the original idea.

[ZephyrPhantom]

With revised effect:
Element A 
Element B 

Let me clarify the requirements:
1) Would it fit perfectly thematically if the complete same mechanic were on a mono [Element A] card?
Yes, involves randomness.

2) Would it fit perfectly thematically if the complete same mechanic were on a mono [Element B] card?
Yes, is partialy straightfoward and is electric based.

3a) Would a Hybrid card be more fitting than a single card with the complete same mechanic of mono [Element A]?
Yes, Chaos doesn't use electricity.  

3b) Would a Hybrid card be more fitting than a single card with the complete same mechanic of mono [Element B]?
Yes, otherwise it would just let you pick 2 creatures.

4) Would a Hybrid card be more fitting than a pair of cards with the complete same mechanic one of mono [Element A] and the other of mono [Element B]?
Is able to kill 2 creatures for less quanta than Chaos Seed/Lightning together, so yes.

I will be making the changes soon.

[OldTrees]

I think you are missing a subtle point

A Hybrid card is not Aether and Entropy mechanics combined on one card.
A Hybrid card can only use effects that are completely both Aether and Entropy in there totality.

If the card is not more Aether than Lightning Bolt or more Entropy than Chaos Seed then it is not a suitable Hybrid card .

[ZephyrPhantom]

I think you are missing a subtle point

A Hybrid card is not Aether and Entropy mechanics combined on one card.
A Hybrid card can only use effects that are completely both Aether and Entropy in there totality.

If the card is not more Aether than Lightning Bolt or more Entropy than Chaos Seed then it is not a suitable Hybrid card .

Now I am confused. So you want me to make it do Lightning Bolt and Chaos Seed on the same card? Or come up with a completley new effect?

[OldTrees]

What I mean is two things
1) I do not think that this kind of card would succeed at being morph sufficiently to be a Aether/Entropy Hybrid.

2) The complete effect of a Hybrid card can only be such an effect as fits perfectly in its entirety in either Element.

A Hybrid card may only used effects that are derived from the thematic intersection of the two Elements not from the union of the two Elements.

In venn diagram form
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