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Catalyst | Catalyst https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=29894.msg380421#msg380421
« on: August 15, 2011, 05:33:14 am »
NAME:
Catalyst
ELEMENT:
Life
COST:
:life
TYPE:
Spell
ATK|HP:
TEXT:
All enemies recieve 1 poison counter and Adrenaline
NAME:
Catalyst
ELEMENT:
Life
COST:
:life
TYPE:
Spell
ATK|HP:
TEXT:
All enemies recieve 1 poison counter and Adrenaline
ART:
Flayne
IDEA:
Wadjet
NOTES:
Mass creature control with a drawback
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Hope you like it, any ideas would be welcomed, I just thought this really fit the theme of Life, so I decided to make it. I'm having a hard time believing nobody has made this card before though, so tell me if it has.

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Re: Catalyst | Catalyst https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=29894.msg380434#msg380434
« Reply #1 on: August 15, 2011, 06:07:29 am »
I don't quite understand your question, it poisons all enemy monsters on the field for 1 and adrenalines them, causing them to do lots of damage while at the same time, killing themselves quickly.

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Re: Catalyst | Catalyst https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=29894.msg380441#msg380441
« Reply #2 on: August 15, 2011, 07:26:58 am »
An interesting take on mass CC. I approve.

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Re: Catalyst | Catalyst https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=29894.msg380454#msg380454
« Reply #3 on: August 15, 2011, 09:42:49 am »
This is in some ways weaker than Plague, but it's more expensive, and I'm not sure that's necessary.

On the positive side, enemy creatures may die more quickly - dependent on the number of extra attacks they get.  And since some of their attacks may be at reduced power, you mitigate the total damage dealt to you over the creature's lifespan, even though you receive the damage in less actual turns.  There are ways to negate this disadvantage completely, though - Phase Shield is the most obvious way.  Freeze/BB do nothing, since Adrenaline will shorten their duration anyway... you might as well run Plague + Freeze/BB.  Damage mitigation shields will help, though with a medium-to-high-attack creature it won't negate it all - though it will give a smaller window for your opponent to react with PC.

How exactly does Sundial interact with an adrenalined/poisoned creature?  I may have to test this.  If it works, it can undo the counterbalance in an upped mono.

(Oh, and I think it's been done before, though it's too late for me to search the forum.  ;))

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Re: Catalyst | Catalyst https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=29894.msg380460#msg380460
« Reply #4 on: August 15, 2011, 09:57:16 am »
So make it cost less then? I will wait for more votes before doing that, just because I have a feeling that would make it pretty overpowered when put in a rainbow deck. This card is seeming kinda hard to balance lol.

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Re: Catalyst | Catalyst https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=29894.msg380462#msg380462
« Reply #5 on: August 15, 2011, 10:05:49 am »
This is in some ways weaker than Plague, but it's more expensive, and I'm not sure that's necessary.

On the positive side, enemy creatures may die more quickly - dependent on the number of extra attacks they get.  And since some of their attacks may be at reduced power, you mitigate the total damage dealt to you over the creature's lifespan, even though you receive the damage in less actual turns.  There are ways to negate this disadvantage completely, though - Phase Shield is the most obvious way.  Freeze/BB do nothing, since Adrenaline will shorten their duration anyway... you might as well run Plague + Freeze/BB.  Damage mitigation shields will help, though with a medium-to-high-attack creature it won't negate it all - though it will give a smaller window for your opponent to react with PC.

How exactly does Sundial interact with an adrenalined/poisoned creature?  I may have to test this.  If it works, it can undo the counterbalance in an upped mono.

(Oh, and I think it's been done before, though it's too late for me to search the forum.  ;))
I believe Sundial reduces the attack power of all creatures to 0, making ones with Adrenaline "attack" 5 times. So yes, there's a deadly combo there.
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Re: Catalyst | Catalyst https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=29894.msg380842#msg380842
« Reply #6 on: August 16, 2011, 10:45:02 am »
This is in some ways weaker than Plague, but it's more expensive, and I'm not sure that's necessary.

On the positive side, enemy creatures may die more quickly - dependent on the number of extra attacks they get.  And since some of their attacks may be at reduced power, you mitigate the total damage dealt to you over the creature's lifespan, even though you receive the damage in less actual turns.  There are ways to negate this disadvantage completely, though - Phase Shield is the most obvious way.  Freeze/BB do nothing, since Adrenaline will shorten their duration anyway... you might as well run Plague + Freeze/BB.  Damage mitigation shields will help, though with a medium-to-high-attack creature it won't negate it all - though it will give a smaller window for your opponent to react with PC.

How exactly does Sundial interact with an adrenalined/poisoned creature?  I may have to test this.  If it works, it can undo the counterbalance in an upped mono.

(Oh, and I think it's been done before, though it's too late for me to search the forum.  ;))
I believe Sundial reduces the attack power of all creatures to 0, making ones with Adrenaline "attack" 5 times. So yes, there's a deadly combo there.
Just tested this in trainer and yep, that's how it works. Now I'm wondering whether this card would be overpowered :x

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Re: Catalyst | Catalyst https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=29894.msg380947#msg380947
« Reply #7 on: August 16, 2011, 06:35:17 pm »
Holy Cow it's a plague on drugs!

I'm not sure I'd use it because of the risk. Though what do you think about having the same cost as RoF?
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Re: Catalyst | Catalyst https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=29894.msg380999#msg380999
« Reply #8 on: August 16, 2011, 11:37:16 pm »
i'd say changing it to ALL creatures on field, not just enemies, that way you can spam it on yourself, but also making it risky if opponent has creatures on field, typically ones that have 4 or less atk.


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Re: Catalyst | Catalyst https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=29894.msg382911#msg382911
« Reply #9 on: August 21, 2011, 01:54:15 am »
Like I said before, perfect card... Perfect CC

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Re: Catalyst | Catalyst https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=29894.msg383715#msg383715
« Reply #10 on: August 23, 2011, 02:15:24 am »
Thanks. I suppose I'll enter this in the forge tomorrow if I get the time. I doubt it'll make it too far but no harm in trying XD

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Re: Catalyst | Catalyst https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=29894.msg383719#msg383719
« Reply #11 on: August 23, 2011, 02:24:52 am »
Thanks. I suppose I'll enter this in the forge tomorrow if I get the time. I doubt it'll make it too far but no harm in trying XD
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