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Re: Aqualink | Aqualink https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=39463.msg491150#msg491150
« Reply #12 on: May 02, 2012, 06:27:08 am »
Well, it could also be likened to splashes. The bigger creature, the bigger the splash, the more :water quanta that's displaced.
I do happen to like that thematically, but realistically, using a 1:1 ratio, a 9 attack creature going through would produce the same effect of Discord, in this case I would consider it quite the buff to this shield. I'll leave it like this for now.

Maybe damage taken is how much quanta is scrambled?

So, would momentum'd damage scramble quanta?  Because technically it'd be ignoring shield effects...
Hmm.. well according to Momentum's wording any creature with that status would just go through and no quanta would be scrambled. It would however be more thematic to scramble when any physical attack goes through.
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Re: Aqualink | Aqualink https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=39463.msg491155#msg491155
« Reply #13 on: May 02, 2012, 06:49:25 am »
Nice idea. However, I'm kinda worried by the fact that it is way more useful in a rainbow than in a Water deck. I know that Water has many off-element abilities and stronger ties with Rainbows can be good, but if we want to enhance its rainbow capacity we need to give it a proper rainbow quanta producer (in-element). As it is, this is not sufficient, although I'd like to see some experts' take on it. Perhaps this + Quantum Pillars can be enough to support a full-fledged rainbow?
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Re: Aqualink | Aqualink https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=39463.msg491158#msg491158
« Reply #14 on: May 02, 2012, 06:59:29 am »
Nice idea. However, I'm kinda worried by the fact that it is way more useful in a rainbow than in a Water deck. I know that Water has many off-element abilities and stronger ties with Rainbows can be good, but if we want to enhance its rainbow capacity we need to give it a proper rainbow quanta producer (in-element). As it is, this is not sufficient, although I'd like to see some experts' take on it. Perhaps this + Quantum Pillars can be enough to support a full-fledged rainbow?
Keep in mind that its main function is not meant to be Rainbow support. If :fire Fire is designed to be an element of raw power, I think its opposite, :water Water could be designed to control power and tame it. This is why I think :water Water deserves a shield it can pull out fast and douse the rage.

The fact that this shield punishes a Mono Water by possibly scrambling its quanta may be seen as a deterrent to some and as a benefit to others. I really think the scrambling of quanta makes for a good interpretation of a :water Water elemental being damaged after its surface tension is broken and is really part of the card to complement its theme.
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Re: Aqualink | Aqualink https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=39463.msg491231#msg491231
« Reply #15 on: May 02, 2012, 12:15:29 pm »
I think this shield is pretty good and  :water is usually a more slow/defensive element, so I like the idea. I don't think it is either OP or UP. About the cost, idk, may a small increase of +1 quantum...
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Re: Aqualink | Aqualink https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=39463.msg491233#msg491233
« Reply #16 on: May 02, 2012, 12:21:26 pm »
Nice idea. However, I'm kinda worried by the fact that it is way more useful in a rainbow than in a Water deck. I know that Water has many off-element abilities and stronger ties with Rainbows can be good, but if we want to enhance its rainbow capacity we need to give it a proper rainbow quanta producer (in-element). As it is, this is not sufficient, although I'd like to see some experts' take on it. Perhaps this + Quantum Pillars can be enough to support a full-fledged rainbow?
Keep in mind that its main function is not meant to be Rainbow support. If :fire Fire is designed to be an element of raw power, I think its opposite, :water Water could be designed to control power and tame it. This is why I think :water Water deserves a shield it can pull out fast and douse the rage.

The fact that this shield punishes a Mono Water by possibly scrambling its quanta may be seen as a deterrent to some and as a benefit to others. I really think the scrambling of quanta makes for a good interpretation of a :water Water elemental being damaged after its surface tension is broken and is really part of the card to complement its theme.

Yeah, very thematic. But, I'd like it to have a good impact on the game too. :)
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Re: Aqualink | Aqualink https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=39463.msg491326#msg491326
« Reply #17 on: May 02, 2012, 04:16:18 pm »
Nice idea. However, I'm kinda worried by the fact that it is way more useful in a rainbow than in a Water deck. I know that Water has many off-element abilities and stronger ties with Rainbows can be good, but if we want to enhance its rainbow capacity we need to give it a proper rainbow quanta producer (in-element). As it is, this is not sufficient, although I'd like to see some experts' take on it. Perhaps this + Quantum Pillars can be enough to support a full-fledged rainbow?
Keep in mind that its main function is not meant to be Rainbow support. If :fire Fire is designed to be an element of raw power, I think its opposite, :water Water could be designed to control power and tame it. This is why I think :water Water deserves a shield it can pull out fast and douse the rage.

The fact that this shield punishes a Mono Water by possibly scrambling its quanta may be seen as a deterrent to some and as a benefit to others. I really think the scrambling of quanta makes for a good interpretation of a :water Water elemental being damaged after its surface tension is broken and is really part of the card to complement its theme.

Yeah, very thematic. But, I'd like it to have a good impact on the game too. :)
I think this could be very impactful. In effect, you can make a rainbow like mono :water deck using this card since it will provide you with a means to produce quanta of other types without needing quantum pillars / nova / immolation. Considering the wide variety of elemental synergy abilities already built into :water (steam machine - :fire , mind flayer - :aether , Toadfish - :air , Trident - :earth , Chrysaora - :death , nymphs tear - everything), this card should be a very valuable addition.
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Re: Aqualink | Aqualink https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=39463.msg491635#msg491635
« Reply #18 on: May 02, 2012, 11:03:43 pm »
Yeah, "Mono" :water would really appreciate this.  One thing I couldn't help but think about earlier is how 2 blocks is rather small.  Maybe raise the counters on both to 3 but raise the costs by one each?

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Re: Aqualink | Aqualink https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=39463.msg491779#msg491779
« Reply #19 on: May 03, 2012, 02:29:57 am »
Yeah, "Mono" :water would really appreciate this.  One thing I couldn't help but think about earlier is how 2 blocks is rather small.  Maybe raise the counters on both to 3 but raise the costs by one each?
2 blocks is indeed rather small but quite significant when one considers the cost and the fact that unless you're using a creature spam deck, you're playing around 3-4 solid attackers. It's very important to consider that this shield completely nullifies the attacks of the first 2 creatures you play, and as most know, in a rush, this can be quite a loss, especially if they're fragile. Most rush decks tend to carry multiple copies of the same efficient card, so nullifying 2 attacks (of equal value) is about equivalent to the nullifying and healing of Antimatter, which costs much more.

Also, in Mono Water you have access to Flooding, limiting incoming attacks to around 5+1(weapon) and the shield can even block the weapon! If one manages to achieve a field lock with squids and freezes, weapons won't phase you either with Aqualink equipped. And hey, if something -does- goes through, new quanta to work with \:D/

I would prefer to keep this as a cheaper shield for :water Water despite it now being considered an element of Patience. One thing is being patient, another is getting phoenix-slapped while you're building up resources to defend against them, in an element that's not even known for its healing!
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Re: Aqualink | Aqualink https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=39463.msg491782#msg491782
« Reply #20 on: May 03, 2012, 02:36:06 am »
Inadvertently a buff to Flooding.  Whoa.

 

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