Post by: Marsu on June 11, 2013, 12:42:06 pm
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Post by: artimies7 on June 11, 2013, 02:59:50 pm
Though I think the card text/name could be changed a bit to be more Elements-ey. But that's a minor detail.
Post by: Marsu on June 11, 2013, 03:13:45 pm
What's wrong with the text? :)
Post by: artimies7 on June 11, 2013, 05:02:09 pm
Post by: CuCN on June 11, 2013, 05:44:32 pm
Nothing else in Elements 'evolves.'
;)
Post by: serprex on June 11, 2013, 05:52:21 pm
Gravity: Issues are black hole and momentum. Gaining momentum would deal with armagios and be thematic. But I think that's what you were implying with Earth (imo you should change "damage can't be reduced" to momentum.)
Being poisonous to consume would be good for Otyughs, and applies well with a life card. Either that or some active that reduces a target's attack power
Aether: Spell damage. This way it stays away from flat out permanent control
Life: Reducing incoming damage by 1 would probably be too strong. Perhaps 2 :life infect?
On entropy: Raising health to 7, as you do with fire, would keep it safe from Maxwell's Demon. Personally I feel you'd rather give it more attack against fire. But you're trying to counter antimatter. Maybe being 6|6 with constant attack? Other effect to play well with is mutation. Personally I feel Anteosaurus should be designed to synergize in a life/entropy duo involving mutation. Having it somehow consume the mutation spell like a Chaos Power and/or getting a random active would be neat
Post by: artimies7 on June 11, 2013, 06:37:49 pm
Ok, you got me there.Nothing else in Elements 'evolves.'
;)
But! This proposed 'Evolve' is a entirely different mechanic than the one you're showing. Thematic conflict, eh?
Post by: Nepycros on June 11, 2013, 07:56:24 pm
Post by: skyironsword on June 11, 2013, 10:35:10 pm
Post by: artimies7 on June 12, 2013, 01:50:31 am
or or or
It does some yet other really cool effect that only happens when your opponent plays a mark. Eh? Eh?
Post by: Naesala on June 12, 2013, 05:23:28 am
:gravity +0|+1 (deal with Otys) and Generate :life (blackhole)
:life Adrenaline (outrush life rush?)
:aether Reflective (like the shield, but only itself, deals with lightning) OR Momentum w/o the +1|+1 (deals with phase shield, but makes the earth power weaker by comparison)
Some re-dos
:entropy -1| +2 and stats cannot be altered (maybe includes damage?) OR Quintessence
:earth gains Devourers drain ability (slows/stops grabboid rush, slows Stone skin buildup)
Evolve could be changed to "adapt"
Post by: skyironsword on June 13, 2013, 10:30:06 pm
Post by: Marsu on June 15, 2013, 07:42:50 am
I like, very Zergy. Other potential is giving it an ability like endow which targets a creature. This would be useful for duos which use their mark as the sole quanta source (eg graboid builds)
Gravity: Issues are black hole and momentum. Gaining momentum would deal with armagios and be thematic. But I think that's what you were implying with Earth (imo you should change "damage can't be reduced" to momentum.)
Being poisonous to consume would be good for Otyughs, and applies well with a life card. Either that or some active that reduces a target's attack power
Aether: Spell damage. This way it stays away from flat out permanent control
Life: Reducing incoming damage by 1 would probably be too strong. Perhaps 2 :life infect?
On entropy: Raising health to 7, as you do with fire, would keep it safe from Maxwell's Demon. Personally I feel you'd rather give it more attack against fire. But you're trying to counter antimatter. Maybe being 6|6 with constant attack? Other effect to play well with is mutation. Personally I feel Anteosaurus should be designed to synergize in a life/entropy duo involving mutation. Having it somehow consume the mutation spell like a Chaos Power and/or getting a random active would be neat
Gravity: A way to bypass GP as the evolution against Gravity is a good idea, I had somehow not thought of that. However, I feared that Momentum is a bit too strong, which is also why I chose 'damage can't be reduced' over it for Earth...
Aether: Spell damage - possible, but also very strong. We have to keep in mind that the card is basically 'ok' without any of the evolution buffs already.
Life: I don't want to give this active skills.
Entropy: 6/6 and attack can't be altered is a great idea. I'll do that. Thanks! You're right about Mutation, but it might become too complicated.
What if the opponent plays a (http://elementscommunity.org/images/Cards/MarkOfWater.png) and they already have an :entropy mark?
Nothing. Mark cards don't affect Anteosaurus, only the mark your opponent starts with does.
Might this card get both effects retroactively? It might be a counter or something.
or or or
It does some yet other really cool effect that only happens when your opponent plays a mark. Eh? Eh?
Heh. Interesting, but I really feel that it's complicated enough already. And the second idea would nerf marks, which are already rather useless and 99% of the reason that they're chosen is that you can pose with them. :p
Some missing element Ideas
:gravity +0|+1 (deal with Otys) and Generate :life (blackhole)
:life Adrenaline (outrush life rush?)
:aether Reflective (like the shield, but only itself, deals with lightning) OR Momentum w/o the +1|+1 (deals with phase shield, but makes the earth power weaker by comparison)
Some re-dos
:entropy -1| +2 and stats cannot be altered (maybe includes damage?) OR Quintessence
:earth gains Devourers drain ability (slows/stops grabboid rush, slows Stone skin buildup)
Evolve could be changed to "adapt"
Gravity: Hm, quanta generation as a counter to BH, that's very interesting. What about this: '2 :underworld: Generate 1 :life.'? Would be a way to get rid of useless quanta if the opponent combines BH with Discord - as BH isn't much of a threat otherwise anyway. Would like to hear your thoughts on the balance of that skill.
Life: Too op, a 15/4 for 7 :life if the opponent plays Life :x
Aether: Reflective is a very funny and good idea. However, I'd prefer countering Dims to countering Lightning. Any as creative idea to do that?
Entropy: Thanks, will do that exactly.
Earth: Not too relevant vs Stone Skin, but countering Graboids would of course be cool... It would only counter Grabbow (and the much rarer Graboid rush) then though, not a mono Earth, which is not really this card's 'theme'. Hm.
Post by: nensuru on June 15, 2013, 03:12:56 pm
:aether : reduce this card atk to x, deal spell damage
:gravity: reduce this card atk to x increase def to x, acceleration
good card, my favorite part is the vs time effect
Post by: ARTHANASIOS on June 15, 2013, 03:38:54 pm
And nice seeing Nensuru coming back! :D
Post by: Marsu on June 15, 2013, 03:44:01 pm
Post by: Naesala on June 15, 2013, 03:50:23 pm
Life not being an adaptation is thematic, but if I was a newbie playing with the card, I'd expect something. Something to think about.
Aether: When this creature attacks, there is a X% chance it will destroy [your opponents shield]/[A permanent]
Post by: Vangelios on June 17, 2013, 03:12:44 am
:fire +2|-2 (you really think he will resist firebolts only with 7HP?)
:darkness protects your quanta pool
:time generates 7 :life if targeted by reverse time
Post by: furballdn on June 17, 2013, 03:51:48 am
Post by: Pineapple on June 17, 2013, 05:17:05 am
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Gravity: ?"Anteosaurus is unaffected by creature abilities."
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Light: VenomHm. I never liked high attack poisoners. The only precedent is Pufferfish - 5 :water for 3 attack. Then again, if you reduce attack too much with just 1 poison per turn, then it quickly becomes too slow against Hope. What about...
"-4/-2 and Deadly Venom"?
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Aether: ?"Anteosaurus is unaffected by spells."
All the others seem fine.
Post by: dracomageat on June 27, 2013, 05:20:46 pm
:life : this card cost is reduced by x
it doesn't gain any skill if opponent's Mark is :life because this card is already :life. You can't adapt to survive in an enviroment you're already extremely familiar with.Bear in mind that the ability takes effect when played. It would come into play as a creature that costs 3 :life (for example) but still cost you 7 :life to play.
Would combo with mitosis but otherwise be a useless adaptation.
Post by: HK_Stupid on June 27, 2013, 06:16:25 pm
:aether:When a spell cast on Anteosaurus, all Immaterial creatures woulde be targeted by this spell.
Post by: Pella on June 27, 2013, 11:59:40 pm
I agree with getting away from the word "evolve". I propose the following text modification:
"...it adapts to your opponent's mark."
Post by: dragtom on June 28, 2013, 02:18:06 pm
Post by: Marsu on July 05, 2013, 09:04:45 am
Post by: Laxadarap on July 05, 2013, 03:19:34 pm
Post by: Chapuz on July 05, 2013, 04:47:15 pm
Post by: Pella on July 05, 2013, 08:19:59 pm
boni*SMH*
Post by: skyironsword on July 05, 2013, 08:32:04 pm
What's :life Stoneform?
Post by: CuCN on July 05, 2013, 10:48:10 pm
Also, :earth buff is just momentum
Earth: Anteosaurus' damage can't be reduced. (Can still miss, kept from attacking, be inverted and so on)It's still affected by Gravity Pull, Dusk, Fog, Procrastination, Skull Shield, Ice Shield, Fire Shield, Thorn Carapace, Bonewall, Diss Shield, Wings, and Dims.
Post by: Marsu on July 07, 2013, 08:32:14 am
*SMH*
Hm? Latin plural of bonus... :p
What's :life Stoneform? Also, :earth buff is just momentum
Both questions were answered already, thanks to skyironsword and CuCN.
Thanks for asking though, as it made me realize that it's 'Stone form', not 'Stoneform'.
Just saw this now. One of the few cards I have seen that I REALLY want implemented in the game. Is bound to have fun games, quite versatile (that's the point), and a decent hitter anyway.
Thanks! Really happy to hear that.
Post by: Chapuz on July 07, 2013, 12:28:02 pm
About the card, I like/love/wannacommitromanticide the concept of a card designed to counter monos (or decks based in the strong points of the opponent's mark).
Against an opponent with :life mark, what about denying Adrenaline/Epi effect of every creature in the field?
Post by: skyironsword on July 10, 2013, 06:01:32 pm
Post by: Sinolai on January 12, 2014, 09:16:03 pm
Against aether, I understand that gaining momentum immediately would rape aether enemies but could it be: gain +0/+2 and gains momentum if anteosaurus fails to deal damage for 2 turns.
Post by: Legit on January 12, 2014, 09:48:56 pm
Only thing I would change with this card is the Aether mark effect. I would lower it's attack and add momentum immediatly, maybe -2|0 and momentum. Having two other Anteosaurus out would be difficult considering a max of six per deck and Lightning, and the benefit would only come into play AFTER the first two are played. Compare it to Sapphire Charger and it is balanced.
Get this card to the Armory right away!
EDIT: -1|0 is actually the balanced Aether mark evolution, but that's not really important.