~Initial Vault Discussion

[~Napalm]

Ok. So we need 348 cards as well as what the 12 we'll get from Propaganda will be AND sets of 6 and 12 as an option should we come in 1st or 2nd in the voting. These are not guaranteed and will thus be fillers only. We don't have time to discuss them in the 6 hour window we have to add them however, so we want to make sure we know EXACTLY what's going on before then, no?

~Step 1 ~ Decks we MUST have in the vault

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~Step 2 ~ Decks to keep in mind as fillers

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~Step 3 ~ Remaining Filler Cards (+Propaganda)

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~Step 4 ~ Propaganda extras

[deuce22]

based on discussion in chatroom, fractix will be a filler deck. Aether pillar/pend base is optimal, and we don't have the vault space. Best fractix atm consistently gives 6-8 turn win against AI3.

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[~Napalm]

based on discussion in chatroom, fractix will be a filler deck. Aether pillar/pend base is optimal, and we don't have the vault space. Best fractix atm consistently gives 6-8 turn win against AI3.

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The Immoless version uses +4 Fire Pend, +2 Dimensional Shield, for a slight defense bonus. Possible modifications include upgraded Pends instead of Fractal to improve EQ chances and even generate Aether every turn. Smart play of these can lead to earlier wins.

[Jocko]

Don't use trainer. Use beta since we're running on 1.29 now.

[deuce22]

given the changes, I think we have to have 2 copies of bonebolt. It was aether's best deck last war. The main differences is that our bolts do more damage, but aether can use a random fractal for dragons or mummies.

EDIT: Also, I highly recommend that we all meet in the volcano to finalize the vault tomorrow. We have just under 2 days to finish it, but we don't want to finalize it at the last second.

[Antagon]

just posted a few ideas and fine-tunes (at deck-idea thread), i dont think ill have time tomorrow, but im sure youll make a great job of finalizing our decks/vault

and i think youre right, bonebolt is a great way.

[Antagon]

if it helps, i have 4 unupped marks, 1 upped, 2 red nymphs and yes.

[~Napalm]

I've massively upgraded the OP with some ideas. Analysis:

Stall:

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Two of these because they're quite powerful. Losing it right away would be a shame. 72 cards.

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At least one of these. Arsenics becoming CC to allow for cheaper, sturdier walls is something to consider, but maybe not the best idea. 30 cards

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And finally this, to add versatility to our Stalls. 30 cards.

Extras:

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One extra set of this one cannot hurt. 11 cards.

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Again to add versatility to our stalls. AND it could be effective against Earth provided we don't see EQ's. 9 cards.

Summary: 4 Stalls, 2 extra variants. 152 cards.
33x Fire Pillar
26x Fire Pendulum
24x Fire Bolt
9x Fahrenheit
4x Fire Shield
3x Rage Potion
2x Rain of Fire
12x Sanctuary
4x Miracle
1x Reflective Shield
10x Poison
8x Bonewall
4x Arsenic
6x Sundial
6x Wings

That's all I've got for now. It's now 5 am. I think that's enough work for one night. 34 hours left. I'll be back after a good nap to complete my analysis of what I've got in that post. At that point, the fillers really start pouring in, such as ImmoEaters and all that other good stuff. Thoughts?

[Antagon]

i really dont like the lavarush decks, with 6 pillars just for golems/phoenix(upgraded phoenix' pretty useless with photons in, you still have card disadvantage when playing immolation and not so fast) and only mark+immo for earth quantum generation, and only 1 card - with vampire dagger - to use the "other" quantum of immolation is a bit poor in my opinion, and no deck with phaseshields, reversetimes, nor earthquakes. (immo-lock?)


*edit* tested current immogolem version a bit, and it is in speed issues far behind pretty every novagolem deck. and i dont understand the steamies-deck. but also no time to test it enough, short on time today.

[deuce22]

I will be in "The Volcano" for pretty much the rest of today to help finalize the vault

[~Napalm]

I'll be honest, I didn't test the rainbow variants you guys have been testing, so I just went with what I knew. I spent a good hour balancing it and I was happy with the result. It's totally up for discussion though. Steamies were our answer for Pandebonium last war. I just tried to make a competetive version of it for other elements. Permafrost is a real winner though because our own shield can be unhelpful sometimes.

[deuce22]

I'll be honest, I didn't test the rainbow variants you guys have been testing, so I just went with what I knew. I spent a good hour balancing it and I was happy with the result. It's totally up for discussion though. Steamies were our answer for Pandebonium last war. I just tried to make a competetive version of it for other elements. Permafrost is a real winner though because our own shield can be unhelpful sometimes.

I was playing with the rainbow version a bit, and it was a lot more inconsistent than what I was expecting. Especially given the 1.29 changes to immo and deflags. So, I think a pure fire immo like the one you posted is that way to go. I made a slight mod to your version nap by basically adding rage pots and using fire mark, but I think yours is probably better.

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