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Vaultbuilding thread https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=62678.msg1241302#msg1241302
« on: August 14, 2016, 10:17:05 pm »
Questions comments and concerns pertaining to the vault can go here. Welcome to the dump thread, drop anything here you want

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Re: Vaultbuilding thread https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=62678.msg1241306#msg1241306
« Reply #1 on: August 14, 2016, 10:38:25 pm »
For building the vault, we will likely want to include a few core decks, some splash cards like wings/reverse times and in-element spares. If transmutation rules stay as is, I suggest keeping some room for transmuting towards Seraphs/Nymphs (so having less than 12 of them).

The current war rules has a huge amount of vault discards available (as opposed to deck discards). This means we should pick ALL the 10 cost cards to the max, and discard them as needed:
(9 x 9 + 24 x 1) x 10 = 1050
So for only 1050 points (7-10 nice cards) we can "ignore" 105 vault card discards, pretty cool, huh?
Assuming an average card cost of 100 for the rest of the vault this means ~28% of our vault consists of dead cards. Now, since the discards from vault start at 100% of total discards, dropping to 40%, we should be OK and not ever having to use them, but merely having them for the purpose of discarding.
Depending on the rest of vault, we should consider adding 24 Ash Eaters for the same reason. Upgraded, they can even fill in for pillars to soak up deck discards.
Rules changed now, though Ash Eaters could still be nice ;)

Next, because they are OP and used in many fire decks, I suggest we also take max:
Phoenix, Deflagration, Fahrenheit and Fire Bolt.
24 x 100 (= 2400) + 24 x 130 (= 3120) + 24 x 100 (= 3000) + 24 x 110 (= 2640)
2400 + 3120 + 3000 + 2640 = 10960
For off-element cards, same can be said about:
Fractal, Lightning, Dimensional Shield, Shard of Freedom, Wings, Bone Wall and Sanctuary.
9 x 150 (= 1350) + 9 x 120 (= 1080) + 9 x 150 (= 1350) + 9 x 110 (= 990) + 9 x 110 (= 990) + 9 x 130 (= 1170) + 9 x 110 (= 990) = 6980

The card I'm most worried about as Fire is Bone Wall. Now, Fire Bolt can get past Bone Wall, and Phoenixes are OK against it, but it does not hurt having more Bone Wall bypass, like Shard of Freedom (Seraphs, Phoenixes and Crimson Dragons are all Airborne). Still, having more Bone Wall bypassing staple decks apart from the ones I listed in staple deck ideas could be great. Of course, we could also simply field the same awesome decks more than once.
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Re: Vaultbuilding thread https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=62678.msg1242854#msg1242854
« Reply #2 on: August 27, 2016, 05:54:18 pm »
Well, so I went ahead and made a start with vault. Can't have an empty vault by deadline, hmm?
TABLE OF DOOM, containing decks and in-element cards used. I ignored Ash Eater/Fire Spirit since we'll want them in case of vault discards regardless (cheap discards!).

Fire cards >
Deck name V
Fire BoltPhoenixDeflagrationFahrenheitLava GolemImmolationRage PotionRain of FireShard of Bravery
Phoebolt660300000
Fire/Light Stall603300420
CreamRush062026001
GaG002066000
Fire/Earth Stall603300420
Fractix x20124000000
Tears of Rage002000400
Brave Catitan000000004
VoidBolt600200000
Total (needed/in vault)24/2424/2416/2411/208/1112/1512/184/85/10

Cards like Seraph and Crimson Dragon are also not listed for not being a part of staple decks. Phoenixes will usually be preferred, but can be replaced by Crimsons/Seraphs in splash decks for example.
Off-element cards of these decks are not included in this, but are in vault. This overview is mainly to see which decks are in it, as well which ones need to be removed in order to free up certain in-element cards for possible alternatives.

These 10 decks give 3 dedicated rushes(CreamRush, GaG, Tears of Rage), 2 dedicated stalls(Fire/Light Stall; Fire/Earth Stall), 2 dedicated stall-breakers; shield bypass(Brave Catitan; VoidBolt), 2 speedy stall-breakers (Fractix; Fractix) and a hybrid (Phoebolt)

There may be too much focus on stall-breaking with this setup, I recommend replacing one with a stall (RoL Hope instead of Fractix comes to mind) and possibly another with a rush (CreamRush with Photons for example, though impossible alongside RoL Hope). That is, if we are to make changes. Any deck not fitting the criteria in this order will be an auto dis-recommend by me unless it is an improvement on fulfilling the same role with another deck.

 

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