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[Antagon]

whats with owls eyes, how many you have?

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could be a possibility

[Corrum]

Phoenix, Dragons, Deflags, Rage Pots, maybe some Fire Spirits... could make a decent mono fire creature rush.

not with everything, but it works pretty well (against AI3 at least, also nice for the metagame, opponents will exspect deflags and maybe also cremation (so no pillars) and - thats my opinion - its not easy to play earthquakes in decks against us, and massive permanents or not a single one. we shouldnt play against entropy, cause of antimatters and demons.

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still no suggestions how to improve gravity-earth, and IF we should do that.

Ran this deck today.
VS. AI3 it went 19:2 with the losses against an aether/time deck with eggs that popped fast and big, the other loss vs a life/air deck with fireflies and a hope.

In PVP1 I went 9:2 with the losses vs a rainbow deck and an entropy deck with antimatter's and maxwell's demon.

This deck seemed much faster than the fire/entropy one yesterday.  Hope this helps with setting the final Vault.  Looks like we only have about 20hrs or so to finalize  it.

Corrum
Go Team

[Antagon]

thank you for testing.

im still not sure, if we should keep the gravity-fire deck, and i still need your opinion on the decks, i posted: the dragon-fahrenheit one, like corrum did, the flying owls eye - and if you have the amount of owls eyes, maybe the discord one or a better idea for a working gravity fire deck.

i though a bit about our opponent (ill post a thread with my suggestions after vault is done), and i couldnt find an element, i would take the gravity-fire deck as first choice.

atm we have (and thats for sure)
1 fractal-phoenix
1 nova-graboid
1 rainbow phoenix
1 rainbow golem
1 earthquake golem
1 poison bolt
2 mono red bolt

and 3 from those
? 2 dragon-fahrenheit (more feedback!)
? 1 fire gravity (need ideas!)
? 1 flying owls eye (need feedback and info about amount of oes)
? 1 unstable gas (need ideas!)

atm i would tend to take 2x the dragon fahrenheit (cause i think, it is a deck perfectly fits in, when thinking of fire they will exspect deflags, anti-creature cards, maybe firestorms, and maybe also phoenix' so maybe a bit less creature removal, at least - against some elements - we could beat them just by raw power, cause i dont exspect many aether-splashes (for dimensional shields) or earth-splashes (for earthquakes) against us.) and as third deck - i dont know/no opinion

im also willed to change my mind, but i need input, fast, or ill set up vault tomorrow on my own 

[kev]

If corrum went 19:2 against AI3 with the dragon farenheit deck, I'd say go with that.  I don't think the gravity/fire or the unstable gas decks can compete with those numbers.  The owl eye deck might work, too, but it hasn't been tested as much.  For the record I only have three unupped farenheits, so I'd be unable to use the dragon farenheit deck as is.  Maybe I'd put a nymph in place of the fourth.  Do we think that deck needs four?  Since they're not flying, we only have extras as protection against deflag/steal/etc.

So the question is whether to have in the vault two or three dragon farenheit deckss.  Without them, we use 8 decks (241 cards).  Two dragon farenheits leaves us with 59 free cards, three leaves us with only 29 free cards.  If we only had 29, we'd have to take only opportunistic cards (and marks and maybe nymphs), and the strategy of trying to steal cards we're missing to rebuild our favorite decks goes by the wayside.

I know it's pretty late to be bringing this up, but have we thought about how best to use opportunistic cards (ie. holy flash and purify)?  Were they replacements for cards in the rainbow decks only, or should we have thought about building fire/light and fire/water decks specifically for those matchups?

[Antagon]

purify and holy light will both only find their use in our rainbows, because also with 18 cards, we cant be sure playing against archedecktypes. we will also take reflective shields.
atm i thought of:
4 holy light
2 purify
3 reflective shield
6 marks (cause plastiqe and i should also get league rewards, maybe we then have 3 marks each, and it could be a huge advantage against earth, and i dont know what kevkev will chose as reward, if we get rare cards)
6 sundials (for master-deck variation with reflective shield in a bolt deck) - could be taken out for more important things
4 burning pillars
1 reverse time
1 lightning
2 momentum

IF we used the maximum amount of deflags in our 11 decks, if not then -1 holy light and -1 reflective shield for deflags.

and as replacement for a fahrenheit in this deck, maybe a single deflag. im not sure of taking even a single nymph in vault, maybe one

any suggestions to our 29 additional cards and my thoughts so far?

still NEED at least one working deck.

[cokeandaspirin]

sorry for me being away, again

those are the decks im confortable with
and should work unupped
this one, relies on killing a lot, i think i should replace the eaters for pillars, and farenheits or something since unupped the dont do anything or rage potions prolly to hav a little more crit control

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and my other fire deck i feel confortable is

this one wons for me the only 2 tourney i played
i like em
so well =D i will hang on more here

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also as the decks u posted before
im totally positive with decks like



8 fire pillars
6 pheonix / golems
6 novas
1 fog/relfective shield (depends teh situation)
3 gravity pulls (for the the more effective creature killer
2 explo
2 congeals
an arsenic
4 quicksands (earth mark needed)(if played golems no quicksands, instead 2 bolt 2 storms
2 rage potions

[Antagon]

a similar deck to the first one (the poison deck) we already have, and also your second deck is familar with 2 of our decks, to your mentioned deck, there is the problem, we have to use 50% fire cards, and the novas are better used in our graboids deck.

the whole problem is, that we need 11 decks, with each 50% fire cards and not more than 18 of a single fire card for all decks.

i tested this one, it could work AND it is an anti-deck against aether, we could use it for that. what do you think?

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[kev]

Haven't tested but think it could kick ass:

Aether Mark
4 Phase Shields
1 Lobo
3 Quints
7 Aether pillars
6 Fire spirits
2 Deflags
6 Fire pillars
1 Firestorm

Or a variation of that.  Wish I had time to test.

[Antagon]

ill try to test it now


replaced the firestorm with a burning pillar, and it seems fine, at the first glance. even against a shriekerrush deck (i just tested) it could work very good, you dont need that much amout of quantum (only early), a quinted spirit and 1-2 shields win the game. i think we should use it instead of the gravity-fire one

[kev]

I did the same (replaced FS w/a fire pillar) and then replaced an aether pillar w/a fire pillar.  I was short fire a lot which might have been coincidence but I think the spirits are fire hungry.

Couldn't test much but after those changes I was 5-1 against AI3. 

[Antagon]

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THE VAULT

Total number of cards: 360

Aether ------------------------------- 13 x Aether Pillar 6 x Spark 3 x Lighting 0 x Parallel Universe 0 x Imortal 6 x Dimensional Shield 0 x Phase Dragon 0 x Phase Spider 3 x Quintessence 4 x Fractal 0 x Turquoise Nymph 1 x Lobotomizer ------------------------------- 36 cards	Air ------------------------------- 0 x Wind Pillar 0 x Dragonfly 0 x Wyrm 0 x Azure Dragon 4 x Fog Shield 0 x Thunderstorm 0 x Flying Weapon 0 x Firefly Queen 0 x Firefly 0 x Unstable Gas 0 x Shockwave 0 x Blue Nymph 0 x Owl's Eye ------------------------------- 4 cards	Darkness ------------------------------- 0 x Obsidian Pillar 0 x Black Dragon 0 x Devourer 0 x Parasite 0 x Dusk Mantle 1 x Steal 0 x Nightfall 0 x Drain Life 0 x Minor Vampire 0 x Liquid Shadow 0 x Black Nymph 1 x Vampire Stiletto ------------------------------- 2 cards	Death ------------------------------- 0 x Bone Pillar 0 x Bone Dragon 0 x Virus 0 x Flesh Spider 0 x Vulture 0 x Skull Shield 0 x Skeleton 0 x Boneyard 6 x Poison 0 x Plague 0 x Bone Wall 0 x Aflatoxin 0 x Mummy 0 x Grey Nymph 5 x Arsenic ------------------------------- 11 cards
Earth ------------------------------- 7 x Stone Pillar 0 x Antlion 0 x Hematite Golem 0 x Stone Dragon 0 x Titanium Shield 0 x Plate Armor 0 x Gnome Rider 5 x Graboid 0 x Shrieker 0 x Enchant Artifact 6 x Earthquake 0 x Stone Skin 1 x Basillisk Blood 0 x Auburn Nymph 0 x Pulverizer ------------------------------- 19 cards	Entropy ------------------------------- 0 x Amethyst Pillar 0 x Maxwell's Demon 0 x Abomination 0 x Purple Dragon 0 x Dissipation Shield 2 x Lycanthrope 0 x Chaos Seed 6 x Nova 0 x Mutation 0 x Fallen Elf 0 x Antimatter 0 x Butterfly Effect 0 x Purple Nymph 0 x Discord ------------------------------- 8 cards	Fire ------------------------------- 103 x Burning Pillar 0 x Ash Eater 18 x Crimson Dragon 8 x Fire Spirit 18 x Fire Bolt 1 x Fire Shield 18 x Deflagration 6 x Rain of Fire 18 x Immolation 12 x Lava Golem 8 x Rage Potion 18 x Phoenix 0 x Red Nymph 16 x Fahrenheit ------------------------------- 244 cards	Gravity ------------------------------- 0 x Gravity Pillar 0 x Sapphire Charger 0 x Armagio 0 x Graviton Mercenary 0 x Colossal Dragon 0 x Gravity Shield 3 x Momentum 0 x Otyugh 0 x Gravity Pull 0 x Graviton Fire Eater 0 x Black Hole 0 x Amber Nymph 0 x Titan ------------------------------- 3 cards
Life ------------------------------- 0 x Emerald Pillar 0 x Emerald Dragon 0 x Horned Frog 0 x Rustler 0 x Cockatrice 2 x Forest Spirit 0 x Heal 0 x Thorn Carapace 0 x Emerald Shield 0 x Empathic Bond 0 x Adrenaline 0 x Green Nymph 0 x Druidic Staff ------------------------------- 2 cards	Light ------------------------------- 0 x Light Pillar 6 x Photon 0 x Golden Dragon 0 x Pegasus 3 x Holy Light 0 x Solar Shield 0 x Guardian Angel 0 x Blessing 2 x Reflective Shield 0 x Miracle 0 x Luciferin 0 x Hope 0 x White Nymph 0 x Morning Star ------------------------------- 11 cards	Time ------------------------------- 0 x Time Factory 0 x Deja Vu 0 x Fate Egg 0 x Procastination 3 x Reverse Time 0 x Golden Hourglass 0 x Devonian Dragon 0 x Anubis 6 x Sundial 0 x Scarab 0 x Precognition 0 x Pharaoh 0 x Golden Nymph 0 x Eternety ------------------------------- 9 cards	Water ------------------------------- 0 x Sapphire Pillar 0 x Chrysoara 0 x Blue Crawler 3 x Freeze 0 x Ice Bolt 0 x Ice Shield 2 x Purify 0 x Arctic Squid 0 x Ice Dragon 0 x Toadfish 0 x Mind Flayer 0 x Nymph's Tears 0 x Flooding 0 x Nymph Queen 0 x Trident ------------------------------- 5 cards
Other ------------------------------- 0 x Quantum Pillar 0 x Dagger 0 x Short Sword 0 x Hammer 6 x Mark of Fire ------------------------------- 6 cards

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360 total

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[Corrum]

Master of Air - Unit748596 - Won

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Melendr - replaced by airframe - Lost

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Finkel - Won

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Jon94 - Won

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Valuka - Lost

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Hyroen - Lost

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Just wanted to get all their decks in one place to make it easier to see what they used.

They lost 6 shockwaves but Hyroen's deck was big enough that they can keep the novas from it if they wanted.