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[Antagon]

i prefer a straight-win strategy

no, atm, it is discussed, if that rule gets changed (to 30 cards at random), AND - and thats the most important thing - we only have 12 zero-cost creatures and 18 immolations, so - to use all - we already have to (or i have to) use the fractal-phoenix (depending on our opponents then), 2nd reason is, that you need a 3-card combo for perfect start (zero-creature+immolation+golem or phoenix), and i really think that every single card more that 30 is a crime.

[plastiqe]

I have 2x Mark of Fire also. 

How many Fire Nymph's do ya'll have?  I have 1 but I don't even use it in mono fire so I dunno if we should take any.

And yes lets play to win first, not build decks in case we lose.

One decktype I think we're weak against is flying weapons; flying Titans w gravity pull.. flying Staff w adrenaline.. flying Arsenic... flying Glories.  All of these are tough to remove with Rage Pot & Fire Bolts which is part of the reason I was suggesting decks with other means of creature control earlier. 

Then I was running into the same problem as Ant with the Fire/Dark deck.  9 Fire Pillar 6 Spirits + Lightning, Quint, Parallel Universe, Aether pillar... it was ok, and Parallel would be a good surprise strat for us but overall fairly weak.

I belive with the rules as they are now we should be maximizing our best decks rather than trying to counter a possible enemy strategy, but that's also why I was suggesting sideboards here (http://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php/topic,6922.msg82740#msg82740).

This is the current suggestion of the rules for losing, I think it sounds pretty good.

I guess we could make a system where the losing players just picks 30 cards, but then he would of course never lose cards he didn't want to lose.

Maybe like this:

1. Winner salvages 6 cards
2. Loser discards 24 cards
3. Rest of the cards go to Vault

[Antagon]

i dont think we are weak against flying weapons, cause our 3 rainbow decks (the graboid and 2 immolation-golem/phoenix) are packed (5+) with anti-creature cards, like reverse time, basilisk blood, freeze, etc. and fog shields, these decks are also very fast, then there is a earthquake deck, in my opinion always strong, and also fast, the fractal phoenix grows very strong and the mono fire could have - with exception of flying titans - enough fire quantum to remove the flying weapons and gain card advantage that way.

i also have a red nymph, but for our purposes im not sure if we should add one, i cant imagine an use for us here.

[kev]

i would prefer a vault, with enough good decks (we could play 3ximmo-deck + 1xnova,) like 4x rainbow rushes(IF i play the fractal-phoenix, cause we only have 12 no-cost creatures), 1x poison-firebolt, 2x mono red and 1x earthquake golem, that makes 8 good decks (for 6 players), the rest should fill up cards, we dont use 18 from (like fahrenheits, fire storms, maybe also non-fire cards used in every rainbow (so maybe only 4 times), etc., so we can take 6 cards when we win and try to re-build our decks.

any suggestions?

We're narrowing in on vault decision time and it looks like this is the way we're leaning atm.  Eight 30-card decks is only 240 cards, but we get 360 now.  I feel like it may be prudent to make more than eight decks.  Saving cards in hopes of stealing our gaps and completing our favorite decks makes sense, as does vaulting some opportunistic cards like purify.  But 120 might be excessive.

Antagon, are there any decks you've seen that might not fall into your top eight but might still be adequate?  Any other ideas you're still tossing around that maybe your team could help you test?

[Antagon]

im actually working on a vault (for testing), ill post beta after the tournament tonight, then we could discuss it

[Antagon]

beta 1.01
not ready now, saving and editing it in about 1-2 hours


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THE VAULT

Total number of cards: 301

Aether ------------------------------- 6 x Aether Pillar 6 x Spark 2 x Lighting 0 x Parallel Universe 0 x Imortal 2 x Dimensional Shield 0 x Phase Dragon 0 x Phase Spider 0 x Quintessence 4 x Fractal 0 x Turquoise Nymph 0 x Lobotomizer ------------------------------- 20 cards	Air ------------------------------- 0 x Wind Pillar 0 x Dragonfly 0 x Wyrm 0 x Azure Dragon 4 x Fog Shield 0 x Thunderstorm 0 x Flying Weapon 0 x Firefly Queen 0 x Firefly 0 x Unstable Gas 0 x Shockwave 0 x Blue Nymph 0 x Owl's Eye ------------------------------- 4 cards	Darkness ------------------------------- 0 x Obsidian Pillar 0 x Black Dragon 0 x Devourer 0 x Parasite 0 x Dusk Mantle 1 x Steal 0 x Nightfall 0 x Drain Life 0 x Minor Vampire 0 x Liquid Shadow 0 x Black Nymph 1 x Vampire Stiletto ------------------------------- 2 cards	Death ------------------------------- 0 x Bone Pillar 0 x Bone Dragon 0 x Virus 0 x Flesh Spider 0 x Vulture 0 x Skull Shield 0 x Skeleton 0 x Boneyard 6 x Poison 0 x Plague 0 x Bone Wall 0 x Aflatoxin 0 x Mummy 0 x Grey Nymph 5 x Arsenic ------------------------------- 11 cards
Earth ------------------------------- 7 x Stone Pillar 0 x Antlion 0 x Hematite Golem 0 x Stone Dragon 0 x Titanium Shield 0 x Plate Armor 0 x Gnome Rider 5 x Graboid 0 x Shrieker 0 x Enchant Artifact 6 x Earthquake 0 x Stone Skin 1 x Basillisk Blood 0 x Auburn Nymph 0 x Pulverizer ------------------------------- 19 cards	Entropy ------------------------------- 0 x Amethyst Pillar 0 x Maxwell's Demon 0 x Abomination 0 x Purple Dragon 0 x Dissipation Shield 2 x Lycanthrope 0 x Chaos Seed 6 x Nova 0 x Mutation 0 x Fallen Elf 0 x Antimatter 0 x Butterfly Effect 0 x Purple Nymph 0 x Discord ------------------------------- 8 cards	Fire ------------------------------- 76 x Burning Pillar 0 x Ash Eater 12 x Crimson Dragon 2 x Fire Spirit 18 x Fire Bolt 1 x Fire Shield 14 x Deflagration 6 x Rain of Fire 18 x Immolation 12 x Lava Golem 8 x Rage Potion 14 x Phoenix 0 x Red Nymph 12 x Fahrenheit ------------------------------- 163 cards	Gravity ------------------------------- 0 x Gravity Pillar 0 x Sapphire Charger 0 x Armagio 0 x Graviton Mercenary 0 x Colossal Dragon 0 x Gravity Shield 1 x Momentum 0 x Otyugh 0 x Gravity Pull 0 x Graviton Fire Eater 0 x Black Hole 0 x Amber Nymph 0 x Titan ------------------------------- 1 cards
Life ------------------------------- 0 x Emerald Pillar 0 x Emerald Dragon 0 x Horned Frog 0 x Rustler 0 x Cockatrice 2 x Forest Spirit 0 x Heal 0 x Thorn Carapace 0 x Emerald Shield 0 x Empathic Bond 0 x Adrenaline 0 x Green Nymph 0 x Druidic Staff ------------------------------- 2 cards	Light ------------------------------- 0 x Light Pillar 6 x Photon 0 x Golden Dragon 0 x Pegasus 0 x Holy Light 0 x Solar Shield 0 x Guardian Angel 0 x Blessing 0 x Reflective Shield 0 x Miracle 0 x Luciferin 0 x Hope 0 x White Nymph 0 x Morning Star ------------------------------- 6 cards	Time ------------------------------- 0 x Time Factory 0 x Deja Vu 0 x Fate Egg 0 x Procastination 2 x Reverse Time 0 x Golden Hourglass 0 x Devonian Dragon 0 x Anubis 0 x Sundial 0 x Scarab 0 x Precognition 0 x Pharaoh 0 x Golden Nymph 0 x Eternety ------------------------------- 2 cards	Water ------------------------------- 0 x Sapphire Pillar 0 x Chrysoara 0 x Blue Crawler 3 x Freeze 0 x Ice Bolt 0 x Ice Shield 0 x Purify 0 x Arctic Squid 0 x Ice Dragon 0 x Toadfish 0 x Mind Flayer 0 x Nymph's Tears 0 x Flooding 0 x Nymph Queen 0 x Trident ------------------------------- 3 cards
Other ------------------------------- 0 x Quantum Pillar 0 x Dagger 0 x Short Sword 0 x Hammer ------------------------------- 0 cards

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301 total (1 deck+29 left)

added this 2 decks, ill add an unstable gas deck (suggestions please) soon, then ill add 29 "filler" cards.

[syco666]

syco666 replaces kamietsu. welcome him

Thanks for the Welcome and the chance to fight on your side ^.^ to be honest with u im a Rainbow player but i use Fire mono in pvp so hopefully ill be an asset.

as a side note im used to strat with cards, ive been playing this game for 6ish months now and ive played magic for about 14 years, so try to not look at me as the noob ^.^

[plastiqe]

Alright 'Lone Wolf', welcome to the team!

Has anyone heard from coke?  I haven't seen her online in quite a while.

[syco666]

This is my pvp deck but its a lil tweeked as its normally all upped.. give me some good feed back on this one, i know its good against life decks, pretty solid against Aether as well.

not sure how u set the mark lol
Edit: Mark is Life, just case u didnt notice under the pic

normally it would have 6 cremates, 6 phoenix, no ash eaters and two more explosions, everything else would be the same cept upgraded, ive tested this one against the AI3 for 15 matches for 15 wins 13 being EM, the original deck also has a high win in pvp, posion decks with Bone walls and other Fire decks are the only problems ive had

this is obviously my first War, also my first pvp in a grander scale than pvp1 so go easy on my deck idea =)

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[syco666]

Alright 'Lone Wolf', welcome to the team!

Has anyone heard from coke?  I haven't seen her online in quite a while.

Eh The Lone Wolf is my title from school, im the guy who likes to be alone 70% of the time, but dont get me wrong i love to be around my friends and groups of pplz.... just not all the time lol.

[Antagon]

Has anyone heard from coke?  I haven't seen her online in quite a while.

she also was on usa vs. row event, i think shell be up for this event too, at least i hope so.

[Antagon]

updated vault-beta