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« on: May 21, 2010, 02:42:07 pm »
any suggestions in here

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Re: card-vault and deck-choice discussion thread https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=6759.msg72366#msg72366
« Reply #1 on: May 21, 2010, 02:50:44 pm »
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thats the decks, i mentioned so far (first one with improvements is more than possible, 3 fahrenheits seem too much, and not sure about the number of pillars.
2nd deck maybe golems, but theyll maybe also work fine with fire spirits.

as "freelance" cards, i would love 6 novas, 6 black holes (preparation against rainbows), maybe steals+pests, phase shields, etc.
i had not much time to think about it all, ill update my thoughts in here.


it is still just a suggestion.

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Re: card-vault and deck-choice discussion thread https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=6759.msg72816#msg72816
« Reply #2 on: May 22, 2010, 04:58:13 am »
A firelance deck

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Pillarless speed golem deck

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This is obviously yours from the Trial of Fire.  Still money.

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With upped phoenixes, this may be the way to go.

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Grabby deck!

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Also a flying farenheit deck and a rage/armagio deck w/graviton fire eaters.  Since you get only 6 upped cards per match, I thought upping phoenixes and taking fractal might be cool.  I started working on a 31-card boneyard and fire control deck, because everybody's gonna build 30-card decks and getting deck outs will prolly be crazy easy against everybody but time.  But it was ugly... maybe using phase shields and dials will work.

Anyway, I just thought I'd jot these down.  Looking forward to catching up and meeting the rest of the team.

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Re: card-vault and deck-choice discussion thread https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=6759.msg72982#msg72982
« Reply #3 on: May 22, 2010, 04:46:47 pm »
tested

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now for an hour (replaced a fractal after 30mins with a pillar) and it is nice, still, no deflagrations makes me feel i only should play this deck depending on opponent element and only if i think, he thinks ill use deflagrations.




other possibility is something like this

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Re: card-vault and deck-choice discussion thread https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=6759.msg73182#msg73182
« Reply #4 on: May 22, 2010, 10:02:11 pm »
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tested this deck a bit and it is very good. could be damn fast and nice control via ragepotions.



and

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when opponents see our fault, theyll exspect deflagrations, this deck seems to be slow, but youll do hard damage in the lategame (also, if dragon gets destroyed, he did hard damage at once), and you also have a bit of creature control with gases+the owls eye. thinking of adding a fire shield or a 2nd owls eye, but - against AI3 at least - im now 14-1 with it.

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« Reply #5 on: May 23, 2010, 07:25:22 pm »
discussion about "specific" cards, we could use in our decks when we know opponent

Holy Light / Holy Flash


possible to use with light-mark(maybe not that usefull unupgraded against darkness by devourers then (or when i face a deat or darkness player as my 6 upgraded cards)
but i think at least having these in our vault will cause fear or forces them into using no creatures of their element, similar to


Purify / Purify


maybe not 6 times in vault, but 2 could have an use.

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Re: card-vault and deck-choice discussion thread https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=6759.msg73905#msg73905
« Reply #6 on: May 24, 2010, 02:04:36 pm »
looks cool.  I think I need to reread the war rules for deck construction.  I thought it was said earlier that there weren't going to be upgraded cards, but I may have missed it.
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Re: card-vault and deck-choice discussion thread https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=6759.msg73907#msg73907
« Reply #7 on: May 24, 2010, 02:13:35 pm »
ok, found it, only the Master can use 6 upgraded cards, soldiers must be all non-upped.  I will look through those deck codes above and see what I can come up with.
 :fire Corrum  :fire

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Re: card-vault and deck-choice discussion thread https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=6759.msg73911#msg73911
« Reply #8 on: May 24, 2010, 02:30:49 pm »
Here is a version of the pillarless rush that I used when I first started farming T50.

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additional cards that I would swap in and out are momentums and blessings.  I had to make a few changes to get the Fire cards to 50%

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Re: card-vault and deck-choice discussion thread https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=6759.msg73935#msg73935
« Reply #9 on: May 24, 2010, 03:39:42 pm »
IMPORTANT: [10:33:14] kevkev60614: SG, just want to verify: we cannot see each others vaults, correct?
[10:34:32] Scaredgirl: yes, you cannot see other people's Vaults

Three more decks... at this point I'm just brainstorming.


Bone Shield/Firestorm deckI don't like but maybe someone can do it better...?

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SURPRISINGLY GOOD Rage/Armagio and Graviton Fire Eaters

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Flying Farenheits

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Re: card-vault and deck-choice discussion thread https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=6759.msg73960#msg73960
« Reply #10 on: May 24, 2010, 04:28:04 pm »
I'm assuming a 12-card max and a 240 card vault. 

[10:57:29] kevkev60614 [»] Scaredgirl: i whispered above: how close are we to settling on a 12 card max and 240 cards total?
[10:58:07] Scaredgirl [»] kevkev60614: it's going to be that with 90% certainty

If that's the case we can begin discussing which cards should go into the vault.

I've been thinking about the 240 cards in terms of 30-card chunks.  With a 12-card max it might make sense to create four 30-card decks and then just double them.  If we were absolutely in love with four decks and didn't feel a need to vary any cards opportunistically against specific opponents, that'd be the way to go.

I get the impression that antagon feels differently (as do I), so maybe the best approach is to create five decks, double our two favorite, and have 30 cards reserved for opportunistic cards (e.g. Purify).  Antagon's deck should be built with his six upped cards in mind (e.g. the fractal phoenix deck I posted above).  Antagon can then decide which decks to pit against whom.  If for instance Kami and corrum draw Light opponents and I draw Death, Antagon would use his fractal phoenix deck, and might decide to have Kami and corrum each use the speed golem deck we doubled, choosing a fire lance deck for me.  He might add a firestorm to the two speed golem decks (fearing fractal rol-hope from the Light opponents) and a Purify or two with a water mark to the fire lance deck (fearing poison... obviously).

I don't mean to take the lead here and I'm not at all married to any of my ideas.  I find the best way to initiate a conversation is to offer an opinion for people to discuss.

Thoughts?

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Re: card-vault and deck-choice discussion thread https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=6759.msg74012#msg74012
« Reply #11 on: May 24, 2010, 06:12:50 pm »
I rather like this one...

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A strange kind of control

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Btw, everything I've created I've tested, but only over like 5 AI3 games.

 

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